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Kerridwyn Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:29 AM
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Daily Telegraph claims memo linking Iraq to 9/11 terrorists
The British (conservative) Daily Telegraph is claiming to have an exclusive document linking Iraq to the 9/11 terrorists:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F12%2F14%2Fwterr14.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=151525

Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.

Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.
. . .

The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.

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I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but my apologies if it's a double post. Does anyone have any more information on this? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it is a forgery, but I'd like to know if anyone has any more information, from a trustworthy news source, before I argue with anyone about it on any other forums. :)
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:34 AM
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1. I haven't seen it in the mainstream press
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 04:04 AM by La_Serpiente
and the telegraph is owned by Murdoch. You just have to wait a few months to find if it is valid or not.

However, it makes it even more suspicious because the providers of the documents fail to provide a credible source. There has been so much disinformation out there, that the truth is hard to find.

On Edit: It is a Conrad Black and Richard Perle company. :-)
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:40 AM
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6. Not Murdoch
Conrad Black, with Richard Perle as Director.. part of the Hollinger family of garbage.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:03 AM
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8. thanks for the clarification
but what is the difference? both are corrupt :-)
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:06 AM
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9. There's a huge difference!
The difference is:--
--Murdoch is a scummy liar.
--Perle is a scummy liar and a mass murderer.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 07:50 AM
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14. Might soon be The Carlyle Group
after Black resigned from Hollinger following the charges against him.

(Another speculation is that Mohammed Fayed will buy the Telegraph which could be very interesting -- every day, the headline'll be "The Royal Family & Mi6 Killed My Son"! ;) )
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:35 AM
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2. Yeah, there's a thread on it somewhere.
We all kind of appreciated the way it tries to mop up ALL of George's credibility problems in one memo.

Mohammed Atta was very busy that summer I hear. In two places at once, even. I hear.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:37 AM
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3. Sounds like the same ol rehashed crapola
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Kerridwyn Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:38 AM
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4. Thanks
Thanks, thought so. I will try to find the other thread, but I'm not able to search, so if anyone happens to find it, any chance of posting the URL or kicking it up? Thanks!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:38 AM
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5. Thr Telegraph bags a twofer: Atta and the Niger yellowcake.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:51 AM
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Check the timeline.
<http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/maps/timeline.htm>

Note that Atta is flying with little or no attempt to hide identity. Even to Spain.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 03:51 AM
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7. Check the timeline.
<http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/maps/timeline.htm>

Note that Atta is flying with little or no attempt to hide identity. Even to Spain.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:34 AM
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10. Jay Rockefeller
was on CNN the other day and said that was old news and more in the lines of unsubstantiated gossip. So if it is old news, and Bush himself admitted no evidence to Saddam/9.11, then there's nothing to it.
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MinnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:40 AM
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11. Abu Nidal died not that long ago....weren't there accounts then....
....that said he was something of a doddering old lunatic for the past several years?


....didn't sound like anyone who could train someone else to change a tire....

....and of course now he's conveniently dead so he can be blamed for the Chicago Fire if they like.....

....in fact....oh, no, I'm just not so cynical to suggest THAT....

....i am i guess thinking of a subplot from "The Godfather." In the Mario Puzo novel, not the Coppola movie. How did they ultimately shift blame for the killing of the drug-dealing Solozo and the corrupt police captain away from Michael Corleone? think about it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:39 AM
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13. Abu Nidal was suicided in Iraq last year
I think he shot himself three times in the head.

Apparently he was pretty old and not in good health and had been out of the 'terrorist' business for a number of years.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:52 AM
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12. fas.org
They have the most comprehensive list of documents and articles going back years that I've found online. Hopefully this search link will work and you can read what they've compiled. Most of the time they have all angles presented and it looks like they do here too because there's a "Abu Nidal did not commit suicide" right in the first search results.

http://www.google.com/custom?q=abu+nidal&sa=Go&cof=LW%3A600%3BBIMG%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2F%3BLH%3A50%3BAH%3Acenter%3BGL%3A0%3BAWFID%3A0d60397048482b28%3B&domains=fas.org&sitesearch=fas.org
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:41 AM
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15. I thought Rumsfeld's pet disinformation office was shut down.
Apparently not.
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