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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:48 AM
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new nationwide democratic preference poll
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 09:48 AM by morgan2
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

Kucinich is above Edwards now, I'd love to show that to ABC.

Dean drops 5 percent in one day over catching Saddam I'd guess.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:50 AM
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1. The bubble from the Gore endorsement
is bursting fast. Saddam took it right out of the news.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:56 AM
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2. I'm not worrried--as things level out, the "bubble" will be back
Besides, with Dennis K at 5%, I have to question this poll's accuracy. And don't flame me Dennis K supporters, because I'd vote for him before I'd vote for Edwards.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:02 AM
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6. im not saying its a big deal
but officially polling over edwards nationally just proves the point about abc
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:17 AM
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11. DK
clearly won the debate. He has been surging in internet traffic, and has gained some momentum and media attention since smacking Ted Koppel around. I'd believe the 5%.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:01 AM
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5. Well thats real encouraging.
Apparently,there are some democrats who fail to realize that Dean is our go-to guy. *bush is even smart enough to know this.....Thus, *bush has the upper hand as democrats engage in self-serving, narcasistic behavior.


Ultimately, if we do not unite in the next 30 days....*bush wins.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:18 AM
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13. go to guy?
what does that mean? That he is ahead? Because he is ahead in the polls I should support him?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:56 AM
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3. "Librul" media at work
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 09:57 AM by ewagner
I saw the crawler on CNN when I got up this morning. It said something like ....Lieberman, Kerry and Gephart step up attacks on "flagging" Dem front runner, Howard Dean.......(maybe not exact but very similar)

This is the old media game in full swing. Create your own story line. First annoint a front runner and make the story "Is he unstoppable"; then create a new story about the downfall of the frontrunner; then create the news story about the next "annointed one." It all has to do with creating interesting stories and, subsequently, ratings. The bad part of it is that the media can make the story true .
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artistaboard Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:14 AM
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9. Media game
Bottom line, sell advertising with titillating stories. Altogether too true that these shenanigans influence voter perceptions. Thanks for the reminder.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:01 AM
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17. Hi artistaboard!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:12 AM
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18. OOps!
forgot to welcome you!

Welcome aboard Artisabroad!

:toast:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:00 AM
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4. Not sure : 21 and rising
I'd say Saddam's capture has definitely had an effect
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:05 AM
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7. This Poll Worse Than Most
This poll was begun on Saturday and completed on Sunday. Considering that the total sample was only 512 likely voters, the pre-capture and post-capture numbers have a margin of error of around 9%.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:15 AM
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10. Good point n/t
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:07 AM
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8. Another example of the poll's innacuracy
The day before Saddam's capture, Kucinich, 2%; the day after, Kucinich 4%. Hurts Dean, helps Kucinich? Naw, what your seeing is a poll that got shot to hell in the middle of the survey.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:31 AM
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14. my take
couldn't tell you if this poll is accurate, but here's my take.

Dean is known as the "anti-war" candidate. Even though Kucinich talks about it all the time, Dean has been labeled the "anti-war" candidate by the media.

After the ABC Debate I think DK impressed some people, and actually got some media attention, ironically, as the "anti-media" candidate.

I think him going up in the polls slightly, and Dean dropping slightly is a real possibility. DK probably picked up some far left undecideds, and Dean probably lost some more moderate supporters he had to the undecideds.

My point is, that Dean stands to lose more from Seddam's capture than DK, based on the labels that the media puts on our candidates.

just my 2 cents worth
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:17 AM
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12. not sure = 21%?
21% Don't know... Does that say something about us?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:43 AM
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15. still a pretty solid
lead for Dean over nearest challenger.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:48 AM
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16. As a Dean supporter, I love to look at this site now
The first 4 polls show Dean with a strong lead among Dems.

Of course national polls are silly. I prefer State polls at this point, but it's nice to see Dean up there alone in the 20s.
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