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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:33 PM
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What the Democratic Party should stand for if it hopes to win.
“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism – ownership of the government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power.” – President Franklin Roosevelt

“The man who wrongly holds that every human right is secondary to his profit must now give way to the advocate of human welfare, who rightly maintains that every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it.” – President Theodore Roosevelt

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." – President Thomas Jefferson

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavour to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- President Abraham Lincoln

"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear — kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor — with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it...." -- General Douglas MacArthur

The fundamental problem with the Democratic party, as I see it, is that the party focuses on individual issues. It does not stand up for broader ideologies. When you see Republicans, they speak to ideologies... the preach to their masses, not necessarily about who did what... but they speak to ideologies. The Democratic Party is failing because it does not speak to the masses in such a fashion. The Democrats have simply been attacking Bush, which is fine, but they haven't offered alternatives of their own.

Part of this problem is the media, which cuts and pastes short sound bytes of angry candidates attacking. But when I see the candidates in debate, they don't stand up for any principles. They attack the president, as they should, but instead, they should speak to the people in a way to inspire action, rather than anger.

Sure, every candidate has policy ideas. But people don't want to hear an essay when they listen to a politician. They want to be inspired. They want to be lead. Some of the most successful political masterminds in history have understood this and exploited it to gain power. Hitler... Karl Rove...

Have you guys ever wondered how a bumbling boob like Dubya has become so successful? Yeah, he stole an election. But despite what happened in Florida, this dope has become our president. Karl Rove is a genius. He's an evil piece of crap who will burn in hell, but he still is a political genius. He has masterminded Bush's rise to power. He got a drunken frat boy who was AWOL from the national guard, who isn't intelligent, who has corrupt corporate ties, who has close relationships with terrorists, who presided over one of the worst governorships in recent history... elected president!

And even now... Rove has kept Bush relatively popular and beloved despite the fact he presided over the worst terrorist attack in history, the worst job loss since Hoover, the worst corporate abuses in history, and started an offensive military campaign built on lies and misinformation.

The Democratic Party needs an orator who can stand up and deliver speeches like the above quotes. It needs a leader who will stand for these principles and deliver the message charismatically and positively. It needs a candidate that will tap into the anger on the left and the patriotic furvor of middle America. The only two who I see who can do this are Dean and Clark.

If only Dean and Clark had a baby... it would be a good president. ;) I'm keeping my fingers crossed for one of these two guys... or both, but it's unlikely they'd run together.

If the Dem's fail in 2004. We should regroup and build a strategy for 2008. Ever since 2000, the Democratic Party has been going downhill. I'm not about to blame Terry McAuliffe(sp?) for this... but the party needs strong leadership. We need accountability. If we fail in 2004, the party needs to change the way it approaches the political process, or else, we may not get a chance to lead this nation out of the clutches of tyranny and fascism.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:34 PM
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1. Great post - and we need to stop fearing the military
Somehow the republicans have hijacked the military and the flag. We can get it back. I know just the guy...
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cirej2000 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:34 PM
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2. I didn't read the whole thing...did it include JFK's
"Ask not what your country can do for you...ask what you can do for your country." speech?

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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:36 PM
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3. no, but that's exactly the leadership we need...
Kennedy was another great man who did a lot of the things I'm talking about. :D
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:50 PM
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4. Great post and right on target.
The Democratic Party has been coopted by the DLC and shifted to the right in hopes of capturing the mythical "middle". A tactic that has repeatedly failed. I know, I know,..how about Clinton? The truth is that Clinton won in '92 because Perot stole repug votes, and in '96 because everyone thought they were getting rich and the repugs ran a corpse against him.

It's rather frightening to many, but the Democratic should stand for something other than "We're not as bad as the Republicans." I believe that they will either move to the left or become irrelevant. Dean, despite his faults, has awakened the left to the possibility of taking back the party from the "we're not liberals" DLC and their supporters.

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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:56 PM
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6. I also don't agree with this whole "left/right" thing...
Politics isn't that simple. There aren't just two political ideologies. Why is Stalin considered on the left and Hitler on the right? They were both murdering dictators. I also think we need a candidate who will speak out against these stereotypes.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:23 PM
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9. What's your alternative?
I agree that the left/right shorthand can be deceptive. But, what would you replace it with? Conservative/Liberal? That can also be deceptive as shown by this very race. Most American "liberals" would be considered "centrists" (if not center right) in most other countries. "Liberals" voted for the IWR for example. Socialist/Capitalist? Both have been adept at installing dictatorships under those titles. Reds/Whites? I don't have an answer to the question you pose. I'll just consider myself a leftist until something better comes along.

BTW, Stalin spent a goodly portion of his career attacking and destroying the Left wing of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union as represented by Trotsky, Bukharin, and others.
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:29 PM
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11. I think the political square is more accurate...
with social issues going to either libertarian or authoritarian, and economic issues going libertarian or authoritarian...

that's a little more accurate, but still flawed...

I think that the repukes use the left/right thing more than liberals do. The blowhards (limbaugh o'reilly coulter savage) constantly say "leftlefleftleftleftleft" and they seem to be the most effective propagandists. We use the term "right wing" but only because it's become the common way to refer to those evil pukes. :D

There are a lot of conservatives who are good people who are truely conservative when it comes to war, economics, and social issues. I hate having to lump them in with radicals like Bush.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 02:30 PM
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12. good point
One result of the shift to the right is that the "center" is right of where it used to be. Like Zeno's Paradox, the DLC strategy will chase the midpoint forever, never quite arriving.

This permits a rightward drift, where of course the opponent is so appallingly bad that "anybody but him" becomes the best - perhaps one day only - recommendation to vote Democratic.

Point it out, though, and the denunciation squad will shriek that you just want to destroy the Democratic Party. Good f-ing grief!
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 12:55 PM
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5. Well Done!
"The Democratic Party needs an orator who can stand up and deliver speeches like the above quotes. It needs a leader who will stand for these principles and deliver the message charismatically and positively."

Yes.

I have been waiting for soooooooooooo long for a leader, a stateman, someone capable of defining the basic principles we as Americans stand for. I've been waiting for someone who will lead, not follow. A leader who stands for what's right, not what the public wants to hear. I've been waiting for someone who believes it is better to stand up and fight for what is right and get defeated than to pander and win.

Good post evil_orange_cat.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:08 PM
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7. Kick
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:09 PM
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8. youre right
you said you'd support "someone capable of defining the basic principles".

Im far less ambitious, I'd settle for someone simply able to form intelligible sentences.
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:26 PM
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10. if the party was savvy enough, we could put a cactus against chimpy
In addition to a leader, the Dem's need an evil genius like Rove.
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:23 PM
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13. kick ;)
n/t
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