Are we the new Jews in the rising of facism in America?

[Clete]

Hitler and the Nazis of Germany blamed all their problems on the Jews. Reading about the Third Reich and browsing through Adolph Hitler’s book, “Mein Kampf”, I am becoming alarmed about how similar the feuhrer’s rantings about the Jews are to the rantings of the right wing about liberals. From the published psychotic dribble of uber propaganda babbler Ann Coulter, to the anti-liberal droolings of radio personality and closet white supremist, Rush Limbaugh, liberals have become the new target to explain away the failings of the ultra-conservative, dare I say, fascist wing of the GOP.

I for one am tired of being asked to apologize for my political philosophy because these neo-Nazis are trying to paint me and those who think like me as being unpatriotic and hinting that we are even criminal. How else did Ann Coulter come up with the titles of her lastest books, “Slander” and Treason”, if not to make those citizens who lean to the left appear to be liars and disloyal Americans?

Now, these same facists are trying to recall my governor, Grey Davis, of California to destroy our election process. Destroying liberalism in California is a cynical step by the RNC and the Rovian White House to install, as our Governor, one of their own, like they did with the Presidency. All Americans need to wake up and scrape the scales off of their eyes before it is too late. We are already facing the beginning of endless wars and terrorism to keep us frightened and obedient.

All Californians must fight this recall with every fiber of their being. Non-Californians must also stand up against this flagrant denial of the will of the people by the election process suggesting that we aren’t competent to select our leaders because the GOP knows better.

Needless to say, all the problems Grey Davis is facing now, is a direct result of mis-management by his Republican predecessor, Governor Pete Wilson, and the cheating of Enron and other corporate malfaesance with very direct ties to the White House. Please read this article by columnist Robert Scheer in the Los Angeles Times who tells what really happened.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-oe-scheer1jul01,1,3473765.column?coll=la-util-opinion-editorials

The Republicans would have us believe it is all Governor Davis’s fault and if we get a terminator or other such GOP appointee into the Governor’s mansion in Sacramento, all these problems will melt away. I say it is time for Californians and all Americans to stand up for their right to chose their leaders with due process without interference from a well organized minority, who are already stripping our liberties away from us as I type.

[JackSwift]

1. Yes, we are the hatable

scapegoats. Coulter's books are absolutely clear on that. We do have a much better ability to fight back, however.

[wildmanj]

2. new Nazis

CONSERVATIVE PARASITES are in search of but one thing----CHEAPER AND CHEAPER LABOR----ITS A MAD RUSH TO THE BOTTOM :KICK: em out

[sirshack]

3. Until lefties start gettiung gassed..

...and herded off to concentration camps, I greatly hesitate to use that comparison....

[Clete]

6. Well, we won't be gassed I don't think.

I am not sure about the concentration camps or prisons. In Germany the camps were for criminals even before the rise of Hitler. The Nazis increasingly used them to imprison at first opposition to the government and little by little to incarcerate a entire group of people because of their ideaology or in this case ethnicity and religion. It is not hard to be accused of being unpatriotic if you oppose the other side.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. And what do you think Gitmo is??

They won't tell us exactly WHO they have down there, or what (if anything) they are guilty of, but it was recently published that some of them may face the death penalty. Doesn't sound all that different from Auschwitz to me. Remember, from Hitler's fucked up viewpoint, those people were "guilty" too. A threat to the Reich, if I recall.

BTW, if you see Halliburton start building facilities in THIS country, say on abandoned military bases, for example, then you better believe the scheiss is about to hit the fan :scared:

[atreides1]

9. Guess what

The Jews felt the same at first, and 6,000,000 of them died, along with the mentally ill and disabled, Gypsys, communists, priests, and
anyone else who disagreed with the government. I guess you'll still be
hesitating when they cart your butt off too.

[Beetwasher]

11. So only when they start to gas liberals

and send them to concentration camps should we start being alarmed? That's pretty foolish. Hitler didn't start gassing jews immediately you know. They built up to it, using the same methods we now see being employed by the rabid right wing. So we should way until that point? That's insane...

[Iraqi_guy]

4. talk about a slap in the face

to all jews involved in the holocaust...and their family members.

[Clete]

5. Sorry, I meant no offense to the victims of

the holocaust. However, the similarities are too glaring in the way a group of people are selected to be scapegoated by a another opposing group as a propaganda tool rendering their opposition ineffective. When the opposing group is in power and control, the scapegoated group stands a chance of becoming a targeted underclass.

[sirshack]

7. It is offensive though..

..just saying. I think most people, left and right alike, would scoff at such an idea. Having known a holocaust survivor, I just think it's not a valid comparison....

[Clete]

10. No not today.

My post is cautionary. We don't want it to end that way. I think another thing is happening though. For all those seniors and others who can't afford their medication and who die prematurely because of tax cuts resulting in cuts in entitlement programs, it is just as real. Our state is having a major health care crises and the GOP leaders don't care. It is more convenient to blame the problem on liberals. Many people suffer or die from such callousness. I think it is just as devastating to the victims.

[Pillowbiter]

12. It may be more valid than you would care to think

espectially because the PNAC papers seem to be planning on genocide for the future. Though they can't target liberals, they can target "certain genotypes".

The writing is on the wall. Just because you don't want to beleive it is happening, doesn't mean it isn't.

PB

[Beetwasher]

13. What's offensive is not LEARNING from the holocaust

and allowing something like that to happen again. I had lot's of relatives die in concentration camps and only last year did the one remaining relative w/ a tattoo die. I'm not offended at all by the comparison and neither would he have been. The comparisons are apt for anyone who has studied Nazi propaganda techniques and the scapegoating of jews...

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. No, you don't want to BELIEVE it could be a valid comparison....

.... even though this whole sickening dictatorship has been following a very Hitleresque script from day one, you don't want to believe that they would take it that far.

I don't want to believe that either, but guess what?

They already have.

How is incinerating 3000 people by crashing 757's into buildings any better than gassing them in the shower?

How is bombing the shit out of thousands of civillians in Afghanistan and Iraq any better than dumping them in mass graves in Auschwitz?

And as I said, Gitmo IS a concentration camp, and there will be others if they are not stopped.

Make no mistake, the BCE are Nazis. In every sense of the word. And given the opportunity their death toll will equal, if not surpass the one that Grandpa Prescott's good buddy Adolf racked up.

[atreides1]

18. When will it be a valid comparison?

You still have not answered the question, when will it be a valid comparison to you. I too have known several Holocaust surviviors, I met them when I was stationed in the Sinai, with a Peacekeeping force.
A friend of mine married an Israeli girl, and her grandparents were
survivors.

Most people during Hitler's rule of Germany scoffed at the thought of
death camps, and concentration camps, but lo and behold there they were, when the allies marched into Germany. For years people scoffed that it was the Russians that killed the Polish military
cadets and their instructors in the Katin forest. But when the USSR
became the Russian Federation, records were found that showed that it was the USSR that committed the atrocity, and not the Germans.

So while you sit and "scoff at such an idea", those of us who refuse to repeat history will continue to sound the alarm, maybe one day you might thank us for our efforts, and even if you don't, it does not matter.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. I'm Jewish and one of my relatives was a child of Shoah

I was not offended. I knew what she meant. I cannot speak for every Jewish person but I, myself, worry about a population where such polarization can take place over time couched in such hatred. It makes the Hitlers of the world possible. Genocide didn't begin and end with him.

[hedda_foil]

15. Hitler started with the liberal parties ....

from the Social Democrats through the Communists, and labor unions. He always blamed the Jews, but he took out the liberals first. Just like they're working on here.

[Tinoire]

16. I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread! - Uri Avnery

On edit: Whoops! :hi:

This morning I read the following by Uri Avnery in an article where he talks about the rise of the right-wing cabal now running Israeli politics and it's a-propos for all of us.

The right wing goverments in power now are the gravest menace to us all, it doesn't matter if they're in the US, in France, in Japan, or in Israel. Right-wing is right wing! Fascism is Fascism! And NO flag can cover the stench!

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If some people still entertain the illusion that this attack is directed solely against the Arab citizens (a totally unacceptable act by itself), they should be reminded of one of the most important sayings of the 20th century, the murderous century of Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.

The saying belongs to Martin Niemoeller, a German U-Boat commander in WWI who later became a Protestant pastor and pacifist. The Nazis threw him into a concentration camp. After miraculously surviving, he coined the following unforgettable sentences:

“When the Nazis took the communists away, I was silent; after all, I was no communist.

“When they put the social-democrats in prison, I was silent; after all, I was no social-democrat.

“When they took the trade-unionists away, I did not protest; after all, I was no trade-unionist.

“When they took me away, there was nobody left to protest.”

Liberman’s program shows clearly that something similar is happening now in our country. They started with the incitement against the Arab citizens and their expulsion from the political system. Now they speak of eliminating the “extreme left.” Is there any doubt, that in the next stage they will demand the elimination of all the left, “moderate” and “patriotic” as they may be? And then, following the historic precedents, it will be the turn of the “liberal” Likud members.

An apocalyptic vision? Not really. The President of the Supreme Court, Aharon Barak, this week compared our situation with Nazi Germany . In the presence of the President of Israel , the Chief Justice, himself a Holocaust survivor, said that “if it has happened in the country of Kant and Beethoven, it can happen everywhere. If we do not defend democracy, democracy will not defend us!” (It will be interesting to see how he will conduct himself next week, when he will have to decide on the Tibi-Beshara expulsion case.)

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http://www.strike-the-root.com/columns/avnery/avnery12.html

[Tinoire]

17. In answer to your question - Yes

Yes... though I'd phrase it differently.

What Hitler first and foremost wanted to eliminate in Germany was any group posing a threat to his particular brand of Social Democracy. The first people he went after were the intellectuals- among which there were many Jews but also many non-Jews. The persecution of the Jews came after he'd started getting the intellectuals and communists out of the way.

Intellectuals... Thinking people... Progressives with horrible ideas such as communism, socialism, tree-hugging, peace, equitable distribution of wealth, free health-care...

Yep, that's us. ((On edit: As Hedda put it "the Liberal Parties".))

If we don't stop them now, we're in for a nightmare.

[Nay]

20. I would think that Holocaust survivors and the families of those who died

...would be HAPPY that someone in the future learned the lesson of what happens if fascism is allowed to run rampant. Otherwise, their lives would truly have been taken in vain.

[Tinoire]

22. Yes... or else, as the saying goes, and as current events show

we are condemned to repeat it...

The Boys from Brazil have made it to the White House.

Peace

[cheapbeemr]

19. 'Jews stabbed Germany in the back in WW1'

'Liberals stabbed America in the back in the War on Terrorism.'

Same play, same playbook.

[Nottingham]

21. Ya I heard OReilley screaming at NYT for saying Impeach Bush

called them Propogandists

Oh its ok for them but when someone else do it Liberalists

dirty word! :bounce: