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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 04:52 PM
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Tin Foil Hat Alert: The Hunt for Zero Point
I am spending some time with my parents so I popped into the local library for a book and picked up "The Hunt for Zero Point" by Nick Cook. The subtitle is "Inside the Classified World of Antigravity Technology."

OK!!! Just a light read, tin-foil hat firmly in place. But in one chapter, this guy has me saying "What the F^%$!!!" This is no Area 51 stalking loon, he was the aviation editor for Jane's Defense Weekly!!!

He seems to believe that somehow the US government has been playing with this technology since at least the mid-50's, and seems to believe that the 'Aurora' myths may be connected to antigravity research!!!

NOW, that might explain alot of things, including the current administrations willingness to give the proverbial finger to other nations, the UN and world opinion in general. If this dope (Dubya) has been informed we have some kind of 'magic' technology he'd have no problem with this "Amerika Ubber Alles" mentality.

Just a thought...

We now return control of you computer to you... (buzz)

:tinfoilhat:

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:00 PM
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1. Kevin McClure reviewed book and said: "No index, no sources, no Point!"
http://www.forteantimes.com/review/huntzero.shtml

The Hunt for Zero Point
Nick Cook.
Century, London, 2001
Hb, £17.99, xii + 277pp illus
ISBN 0-7126-6953-1

This book is written in ‘quest’ format, popularised by authors who, in recent years, have failed to find the Holy Grail, the grave of the Virgin Mary, the Head of God, the Ark of the Covenant, Christ’s tomb, Atlantis, the Great Hall of Records and more besides. The typical ‘quest’ author travels around the world, talks to sources, reads old books, recounts rumours, but actually achieves little of lasting value.

The ‘Zero Point’ for which Cook hunts is the point where anti-gravity technology achieves the escape of an object from gravity’s effect: where it flies because there is nothing to prevent it doing so. He finds it, oddly, in the achievements of Nazi scientists during World War II, though they have never been replicated since and Cook – a professional, and award-winning, writer on aerospace matters – never tells us what their technology was, or how it worked.

Any attempt to replicate Cook’s quest is bound to be frustrated. Four of his primary sources are, without explanation, given false names, including one ‘Lawrence Cross’, supposedly a former Janes aerospace journalist, “now a bureau chief for a rival publication in Australia”. ‘Cross’ feeds him a raw, uncritical version of the ‘Nazi UFO’ material I debunked in ‘Phoney Warfare’ in Fortean Studies 7, and apparently says “It’s been around for decades, long enough to have been given a name. In the trade, we call it the Legend.” Most of this material actually comes from former Nazis or later sympathisers, and I’ve never heard it called “the Legend”.

Equally frustrating is Cook’s decision to do without references or an index. There is much waffle here, and the story jumps backwards and forwards. Rumours are presented without noting their likely status, and unless a reader has spent time researching the same material from other sources, it would be impossible to make an objective assessment of his assertions. His style sometimes descends from the merely credulous to the downright odd. Without pursuing the question further, one of Cook’s mysterious sources ends a chapter by saying “They were trying to build a f—king time machine”. More disturbingly, Cook sets out a detailed fantasy of how the (supposed) scientists working on the (supposed) anti-gravity (or time) machine would have been shot and buried by the SS, in line with “a paragraph or two from the execution manual it had drawn up for the Holocaust.” This tasteless passage seems inappropriate, at best.<snip>


I’ll be returning to the peculiar creation of the Schauberger-as-Saucer-Builder myth in detail in a forthcoming issue of FT, but suffice it to say that Cook’s version of the tale probably originates in 1975, in a book by a prominent Holocaust revisionist. Although Cook visits the Schauberger archives, he does not confirm the tale told him by ‘Cross’. And while Cook concludes that “via Schauberger, the Nazis had been deeply involved – no question – in what can only be described as flying saucer technology”, we are not allowed to see any pages of Schauberger’s diaries or letters to support this extraordinary claim.

In the end it is the lack of evidence, and of traceable sources, that renders this book almost valueless as either history or science. Worse, it may unwittingly be delivering political propaganda, glorifying fictional Nazi achievements, of which I am sure neither author nor publisher would approve.

Kevin McClure

No index, no sources, no Point!
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:52 PM
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6. Interesting review
I agree with the 'quest' format, but when dealing with 'black' programs there is almost always fire behind the smoke. I'm not far enough into the book to decide either way, but it's the closest thing to information on AG tech that I've ever seen.

Several DARPA programs that had been conducted 'in the open' have been turned 'black,' indicating some kind of 'success' in high-energy physics. Of course, a discovery like The Zero Point would revolutionize everything from construction to biochemistry, but not until it becomes public information.

I really take all conspiracy stuff with a REALLY BIG grain of salt, but I have seen things that make me wonder. In 1974 my mother and I watched an object (light in the western sky) maneuver in ways that NO aircraft can possibly survive. This went on for 10 minutes. Later that same summer we saw the same object at the same time of day in the presence of the rest of the family, and we saw it for about 1 and a 1/2 minutes.

Was it a UFO? Yes. Flying saucer? Doubt it. Aliens. Really doubt it.

But it WAS something, and I have to wonder, considering the fact that the SR-71 first flew in 1962 and retired in 1990 and that the govt managed to hide the Stealth program until LONG after it was operational... WHAT WAS THAT???

As an Air Force vet, I can say that it's common knowledge that if 'we' (the US govt) admit to a certain technology, you can be SURE that we have 2 more advanced 'versions' hiding in the blackness, in R & D...

From what I've read over the past 25 years or so, there were some really stange projects funded by governments on both sides of the Cold War.

:tinfoilhat:
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ming Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:36 PM
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10. NASA BPP
There are, or were, serious scientists working on advanced propulsion techniques, and if I recall correctly, anti-grav was one of them. In fact, NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project was set up to do exactly this type of research in 1996. However, currently they have no funding. In 1994 there was a workshop on advanced quantum/relativity propulsion theory held at Jet Propulsion Laboratory investigating some of the issues involved with faster-than-light travel.

If NASA was publicly doing research along these lines, then I have to assume that there are black budget military projects as well and it is likely that they have been going on for some time.

However, even the scientists involved with NASA's BPP project admit that the ideas of controlling gravity and faster-than-light travel are at the pre-scientific stage, i.e. purely conjecture. As for these kinds of things having been not only theorized about but actually achieved as early as the 1950s is pure sillines. At that time they simply didn't have the mathematical framework for even thinking about this kind of stuff. It wasn't until the early 1990s that Alcubierre was able to solve general relativity to allow for even a theoretical warp drive.

I suppose the tin-foil hat crowd would throw Roswell into my face at this point. Even supposing an alien craft crashing in New Mexico, I can't believe that scientists of that time would have so much as a clue how to go about reverse engineering an alien spacecraft employing antri-gravity propulsion. I mean, can you imagine what a scientist or engineer from the 1940s would make of a computer from 2004?

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:01 PM
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2. "Into the Black" - Atlantic Monthly interview with Nick Cook here:
"For fifteen years Cook has been a defense and aerospace reporter for Jane's Defence Weekly, which some consider the bible of the international defense community. During his career Cook has often brushed up against the "black world" and has even delved into it, both in reporting for Jane's on advances like the B-2 bomber, and in working on a documentary, Billion Dollar Secret, that probed the U.S. military's classified (or black) weapons programs."

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/interviews/int2002-09-05.htm

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:06 PM
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3. Cook – a professional, and award-winning, writer on aerospace matters
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 05:10 PM by papau
fellow has great resume -

It is the product - the book - that the book reviewer sees little value in.

As the Atlantic notes

"One conclusion Cook reaches in The Hunt for Zero Point is that some of the "Foo Fighters" that World War II pilots reported seeing over Axis territories MAY HAVE BEEN German prototypes of new flying machines that used antigravity technology. He also posits that somewhere in the black world, WORK HAS LIKELY CONTINUED ALONG THESE LINES, and that much of the wackiness surrounding sightings of "UFOs" has been deliberately spun to ward off investigations of new technologies in development.

Since the book's publication in Britain, Cook has uncovered documents detailing Boeing's antigravity research program at the top-secret Phantom Works, where the company is striving to develop "propellantless propulsion" ahead of its competitors. Writing in Jane's Defence Weekly, Cook quoted the documents as saying that along with Boeing's own program, other "classified activities in gravity modification may exist"—suggesting that antigravity may, in fact, have been more than a 1950's fantasy. BUT WHAT DO THE DOC's SAY - DID HE FIND ANY SUCESS REPORTS?

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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:11 PM
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4. the books right
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 05:16 PM by 7th_Sephiroth
i built an anti gravity device
just so you know, i smashed it, the side effects are chilling, i almost lost my soul
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:50 PM
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5. I read that- very interesting book.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 05:53 PM by RandomKoolzip
Trouble is, had anyone ever actually invented zero-point technology, Bush and his boys would be making a killing off of it...so why are they still making their riches off of oil and conventional defense weaponry, Halliburton contracts and pre-emptive strikes?

After I finished the book, I was NOT convinced I had read anything significant, but there was some interesting stuff about UFOLOGY in there. I don't believe that zero-point technology was ever REALLY invented....just ask Fulcanelli or St. Germain.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:57 PM
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7. Agreed
It's worth BAZILLIONS, IF it's out in the open. But you know how the US feared ANY nation learning the secrets of Da' Bomb....

Maybe there is no 'perfect' version, but only some kind of inertia-damping device ala thrust-vectoring... I don't know...


PS--Love the Zappa and Firesign stuff!!!

:toast:
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:02 PM
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8. It's a fun ride though....kinda bumpy...
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:03 PM
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9. guys
Zero point technoligy has really nasty side effects, its still waaaaay too dangerous to be in the hands of man
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:38 PM
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11. It gave me hairy palms....
And it curved my spine. But it was worth it- what a rush!
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