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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:21 PM
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PBS Newshour -Democratic Leadership Council sharing on Dean leading so far
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 07:26 PM by cthrumatrix
Set-up is like a small debate. I'm surprised to see Al From from the DLC not congratulating the candidates for energizing the people...rather he points out how Clark is closing in....you can quickle see who backs who.

Jim Laeher brings up the anger issue and the Dean supporter defuses the issue and talks about people who want to stop Dean. She is a Super Delegate for Dean...and is obvious pro Dean.

The DLC guy (AL From) says that Dean is tapping anti-war sentiment. Leaher brings up can he beat Bush...and the DLC guy back down. The DLC wants control...they don't like him.

The DLC spent a long time "building the party" says Al From. The Dean Superdelegate tries to build the bridge and says the Dean has what it takes.

Al From pratically "choked" when he was asked if Dean wins...will he support Dean....and he chokes on "yes".

What is the DLC afraid of?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:23 PM
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1. Petty power struggle
From will back Dean if he is nominated.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:23 PM
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2. They should be welcoming Dean
with open arms for igniting a fire under the democratic party. Lets hope they can join forces to defeat AWOLbush and the rest of the neocons!!!
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:47 PM
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10. They don't WANT "people power"
Because that would take the power away from them. THAT is precisely why the DLC despises Dean so.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:22 AM
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16. Hardly
They dont like Dean because he has run his campaign as an opposition candidate to the democratic establishment. The DLC people believe that they know the best way to approach the election. So do you, I imagine. They are neither clearly right or clearly wrong, but I certainly wont begrudge them thier opinion.

If the DLC's only concern was retaining power, why wouldnt they just embrace Dean? If Dean wins the primary and the DLC alienates themselves from him, they will lose alot of thier political clout. Just as clinton's election led them to power. I wouldnt expect them to take such a risk if their only motivation was retaining power. I would however expect that move if they earnestly felt that Dean was dangerous to the party. An opinion that may not be correct, but is certainly understandable.

The only other option is that Dean has flat out told them that he will never let the DLC near him and they feel that defeating dean is thier only way to survival, but that doesnt really sound like something Dean would do, and if he did it would reflect rather poorly on him, not the DLC.

Howard Dean is not a knight in shining armor. He is a politician that, believe it or not, some people dont think is the best choice.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:24 PM
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3. Two words
LOOSING POWER

They have it now, and if dean wins, they will loose that power
to set the party agenda, even if the DNC is far less unified
and lockstep than the RNC, there is this issue of POWER...

Never underestimate this, it is a powerful narcotic
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:24 PM
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4. I think their agenda is about the same as Bush's agenda in some ways.
I believe the American empire is a dream of many Democrats as well. Why did so many vote to invade Iraq? Why did the DLC write an article called "Good night, Vietnam", at their website, which makes fun of anti-war people and puts them down.

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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:25 PM
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5. Don't underestimate the leadership of the DLC...
...they are very good at manufacturing illusions, seeding dissent, lying...just like the GOP. I find From's support of Clark disheartening, especially with how much he rails against anyone "anti-war". That means he's either backing a candidate who is lying about being anti-Iraq war, or his objection to anti-Iraq war views is just bullshit.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:26 PM
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6. DLC is hoping for Clark?
Why is that not a good thing in my eyes?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:29 PM
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7. I thought the DLC would be "candidate neutral"...clearly Dean has them
thinking.

They should be all about supporting the "process" and letting the people decide.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:56 PM
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8. "Squeaky" From never said "yes" to supporting Dean if nominated-
yes he choked- bigtime- and said "I've always said I support OUR- er- uh, the nominee..."

Left me feeling that "our" meant DLC... evidently Dean is not the DLCs nominee.

Squeaky was pressed by Lehrer- "You really don't like this guy, do you?" Fromm
about threw up right there. The "super-deligate" woman who was also in the
conversation (unfortunately her name slips now) laughed out loud at Fromms
reaction.

Fromm appeared to be either frightened to death or hopped up on speed...
Yeah, the DLC is losing power... and good riddence!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:26 PM
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9. Stick a freakin fork in the DLC


"Teach us to number our days,
that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom."
- Job
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:13 PM
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11. The DLC spent a long time "building the party", says Al From -
Yes. "Built" it into the moderate wing of the republican party. The DLC is terrified of being seen for what it is. A group of mostly southern Democrats trying to undo all the progress made by the "too liberal" wing.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 12:56 AM
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12. The DLC is a neocon Trojan horse
They're afraid Democratic voters will start asking questions and demanding answers.

The neo-cons have been putting their cabal together for many, many years and they have covered a lot of bases. They developed unholy alliances in the media, military, foreign governments, corporate world and have taken the Republican party to a place many traditional Republicans find uncomfortable. And, through the DLC, have infiltrated the Democratic party as well. As evidence I offer:

PNAC has issued a number of official statements, including their Statement of Purpose (6/3/97), Letter to Clinton encouraging him to attack Iraq (1/26/98), Statement on Post War Iraq (3/19/03) and their Second Statement on Post War Iraq (3/23/03).

Each of these statements were signed by 20-30 people. Among the signers are:

Will Marshall, the president and founder of the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) and former Policy Director for the DLC is a signer on PNAC's two statements on Iraq. PPI was created to set policy for the DLC and is very closely connected to the DLC.

Tod Lindberg, published by The Blueprint (DLC magazine) also signed both PNAC Iraq statements, as did James Steinberg, Deputy National Security Advisor to President Clinton.

Marshall Wittman, another Blueprint author, is a Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute (Richard Perle, trustee) and former aid to Ralph Reed.

There is another group, The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) that was formed in the fall of 2002. Its Mission Statement says:

"The regime of Saddam Hussein has attacked its neighbors, acquired weapons of mass destruction, and directed those weapons against innocent men, women, and children. It has supported international terrorism and has savagely murdered and repressed the Iraqi people. The current government of Iraq poses a clear and present danger to its neighbors, to the United States, and to free peoples throughout the world."

Where have we heard that before?

It says they "will engage in educational and advocacy efforts" in support of liberating the Iraqi people.

Translation: it serves as another "authority" to support the PNAC agenda.

Who are The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq?

CLI Officers

Chairman of the Board Bruce P. Jackson

Executive Director Randy Scheunemann

Treasurer Julie Finley

Secretary Gary Schmitt

(Jackson, Scheunemann and Schmitt all signed the PNAC Statements on Iraq. Schmitt is also a founder of PNAC.)

Advisors include PNAC'ers Dr. Eliot Cohen, Robert Kagan, Peter Galbraith, William Kristol, Will Marshall, Josh Muravchik, Richard Perle, Danielle Pletka and James Woolsey. All were part of the select few who put their names to one or more of the PNAC statements above.

Note, Will Marshall, policy director of the DLC, is an advisor to CLI.

(Link to CLI website: http://209.50.252.70/index.shtml)

Finally, take a look at what the Blueprint (the DLC magazine) had to say right after 9/11.

America s New Mission
By Will Marshall The Blueprint Magazine 11/15/01

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?&kaid=124&subid=307&contentid=3916


The Case Against Saddam
By Khidir Hamza The Blueprint Magazine 11/15/01

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?&kaid=124&subid=307&contentid=3926


And this one from well before the 9/11 attacks:

Why it's Time to Revolutionize the Military
By James R. Blaker and Steven J. Nider The Blueprint Magazine 2/17/01

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=124&subid=159&contentid=2980

And a couple of more recent pieces:

Activists Are Out of Step
By Al From and Bruce Reed Originally in LA Times 7/3/03

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251866&kaid=85&subid=65

------------------------

The Blueprint speaks and you can hardly see Perle's lips move.

I'm sure many of the New Democrats (what DLC members are called) joined on for funding support and without really understanding what the DLC's agenda really is. Most of the DLC's message is spun to sound like it challenges Bush, but look at the core messages and you find them more closely alligned with the neo-cons than it appears on the surface.

When you realize this, Congressional Democratic support for the Bush administration's policies (out of control military budget, tax cuts, rampant corporatization and war, war, war) makes more sense.

Directory of New Democrats: http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm?viewAll=1

Here's a fun game - can you find the four Democratic presidential candidates listed in the directory?
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:31 AM
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13. more on the DLC
Here's some backgroung on the DLC:

Behind the DLC Takeover
By John Nichols The Progressive September 2000

<snip>
Founded in the mid-1980s with essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition--to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right--the DLC has been far more successful than its headline-grabbing Republican counterpart. After Walter Mondale's 1984 defeat at the hands of Ronald Reagan, a group of mostly Southern, conservative Democrats hatched the theory that their party was in trouble because it had grown too sympathetic to the agendas of organized labor, feminists, African Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians, peace activists, and egalitarians.

And they found willing corporate allies, in corporate America, who provided the money needed to make a theory appear to be a movement. In the ensuing fifteen years, the DLC's impact on the American political debate has been dramatic. The group now controls much of the upper-level apparatus of the Democratic Party.

A day is soon coming when "we'll finally be able to proclaim that all Democrats are, indeed, New Democrats," declared DLC President Al From on the eve of this year's Democratic National Convention.
<snip>
The lack of a grassroots base would have made this narrowing of constituency dangerous for some groups, but not the DLC. Secure in its corporate funding, the organization had the money to continue operating as a sort of upscale fifth column, "an elite organization funded by elite--corporate and private--donors," explains (author Kenneth) Baer.

link: http://www.progressive.org/nich1000.htm

How the DLC Does It
By Robert Dreyfuss The American Prospect 4/23/01

<snip>
Privately funded and operating as an extraparty organization without official Democratic sanction, and calling themselves "New Democrats," the DLC sought nothing less than the miraculous: the transubstantiation of America's oldest political party. Though the DLC painted itself using the palette of the liberal left--as "an effort to revive the Democratic Party's progressive tradition," with New Democrats being the "trustees of the real tradition of the Democratic Party"--its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse–style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a probusiness, pro–free market outlook.
<snip>
Though the DLC offers a nominal $50 membership to anyone interested, its mass base is minuscule. "There's a New Democrat audience of about 5,000 to 10,000 people who get our stuff on a regular basis," says Matthew Frankel, the DLC's spokesman. And with a nonexistent grass-roots presence, the DLC is generally unknown except to practitioners of "inside baseball" politics. Yet the affiliation of scores of members of Congress has enabled the DLC to establish alliances with Fortune 500 corporate supporters, particularly along the so-called K Street corridor of Washington-based lobbyists and in high-tech enclaves such as California's Silicon Valley.
<snip>
While the DLC will not formally disclose its sources of contributions and dues, the full array of its corporate supporters is contained in the program from its annual fall dinner last October, a gala salute to Lieberman that was held at the National Building Museum in Washington. Five tiers of donors are evident: the Board of Advisers, the Policy Roundtable, the Executive Council, the Board of Trustees, and an ad hoc group called the Event Committee--and companies are placed in each tier depending on the size of their check. For $5,000, 180 companies, lobbying firms, and individuals found themselves on the DLC's board of advisers, including British Petroleum, Boeing, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Coca-Cola, Dell, Eli Lilly, Federal Express, Glaxo Wellcome, Intel, Motorola, U.S. Tobacco, Union Carbide, and Xerox, along with trade associations ranging from the American Association of Health Plans to the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. For $10,000, another 85 corporations signed on as the DLC's policy roundtable, including AOL, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Citigroup, Dow, GE, IBM, Oracle, UBS PacifiCare, PaineWebber, Pfizer, Pharmacia and Upjohn, and TRW.
<snip>
NDN's (New Democrat Network) brochures sound like investment prospectuses. "NDN acts as a political venture capital fund to create a new generation of elected officials," says the PAC. "NDN provides the political intelligence you need to make well-informed decisions on how to spend your political capital. Just like an investment advisor, NDN exhaustively vets candidates and endorses only those who meet our narrowly defined criteria."
<snip>
To ensure that liberals don't slip through the cracks, NDN requires each politician who seeks entree to its largesse and contacts to fill out a questionnaire that asks his or her views on trade, economics, education, welfare reform, and other issues. The questions are detailed, forcing candidates to state clearly whether or not they support views associated with the New Democrat Coalition, and it concludes by asking, "Will you join the NDC when you come to Congress?" Next, Rosenberg interviews each candidate, and then NDN determines which candidacies are viable before providing financial support.

link: http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:42 AM
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18. I'm proud to be and "old" democrat! Fuck Al From and the DLC
asshole moderates and that includes the Clinton's, fuck em.

The DLC is complete bullshit power grab...I'm far too liberal to have any use for their lies, and power hungry bullshit!!!

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:07 AM
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14. If From backs Clark...just one more reason to be suspicious of
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 03:26 AM by Dover
Clark. I'm sure From did spend a lot time building the Party in his image...that of the GOP.

And I don't understand all this anti-Dean rhetoric from the DLC. Dean is pretty much in line with the same conservative mindset. But he has been careful to keep his distance and personal control. In truth, I doubt Dean would shake up the Party very much if president regarding the current DLC agendas and policy goals. Still centrist right. So are From's anti-Dean antics for real? What's the threat, if any?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:15 AM
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15. That is rediculous.
Lets try and be reasonable here. From supporting Clark doesnt in any way mean you should be suspicious of Clark. I hate to break it to you, but there are many reasons to think that Clark would be a much better horse in the general election than Dean. Al From has a certain view of what the best course for the party is to win elections. That is his job. Now we all have our own opinions.

Just because you disagree with From on the correct course to win elections does not mean he is some kind of double agent. This is politics, no one has reduced it to a science yet. He may be right, you may be right.

At the very least I think it is good to see people supporting Clark and pointing out his growing numbers because it is vital that we dont look at the race as a forgone conclusion. Dean hasnt won it yet and is far from a lock and as democrats we should all be encouraging all candidates. This election isnt about getting Dean nominated. It is about winning the next presidential election.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:28 AM
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17. Wolves In 'Democrats' Clothing
Wolves in Democrats' clothing

VIEW FROM THE LEFT

Harley Sorensen, Special to SF Gate Monday, January 5, 2004

I'll bet not one American in 200 knows, or cares, who Al From is. And (let's go double or nothing) I'll bet not one in 20 knows, or cares, what the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) is.

I know ... now ... because I looked it up last week. And both From and his council are powerful influences in this year's presidential campaigns.

Mr. From would argue with my description of him, but I'd describe him as a kind of agent provocateur, a plant inserted by the Republicans into the leadership of the Democrat Party. His goal: Wreck the party, turn it into the Republican Lite Party.

If that's his goal, he's doing a fine, fine job. And he's using the DLC to do it. He founded the DLC, a collection of Democrat politicians, in 1985, apparently out of fear that the Democrats were done as a political party. After all, they had not had a president for five full years.

In Al From's world, any Democrat who thinks like a Democrat is an extremist. A Democrat who thinks like a Republican is a centrist...cont'd

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/01/05/hsorensen.DTL




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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 11:54 AM
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19. The proto-DLCers,
such as Sam Nunn, are the reason Reagan was able to get away with his evil agenda.

The Dems had a majority in both Houses, and they could have stopped Reagan. The DINOs betrayed us.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 11:56 AM
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20. The DLC will support Dean or whoever wins the nomination
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