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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:18 AM
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Whether you're a fan of Enterprise or not, tales of Trek that never were..
Edited on Mon Aug-18-03 11:21 AM by wyldwolf
As the remaining Trek fans wait (and hope) for the promised improvement to Enterprise, I thought some of you might be interested in Trek that might have been.

There are a slew of scripts, plots, and almost produced Star Trek TV shows and movies that, at least on paper, look better than what we've seen from Paramount in the last decade or so...

Among them:



  1. Star Trek: Phase II, a mid 70s series with the original cast - except Spock. After the success of Star Wars, paramount brought it to the big screen, instead.

    Several "Phase II" scripts were reworked for Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    You can see clips from the "Phase II" pilot on the ST: The Motion Picture DVD.

  2. Harve Bennet, producer of ST: Wrath of Khan, pitched this movie to Paramount several years back:

    "It was Kirk and Spock at Star Fleet Academy," Bennett says. Spock is the first Vulcan to attend the academy. It was a story of prejudice against Spock, who almost dies in it. It's the story of Kirk's first and last love, with a cadet lady who dies heroically saving the planet or something similar. But its undertone is about racism. It's about redbloods vs. bluebloods vs. greenbloods. And at the end Kirk is alone. He and Spock part, and you understand why Kirk is going to run around the galaxy chasing illusions and skirts."

  3. George Takei pitched a series of Sulu's voyages on the Starship Excelsior.

  4. The orginal premise of "Enterprise" was "Birth of the Federation" and would have take place in several time periods. Paramount found it to be too complicated and insisted on a ship named "Enterprise."

  5. Enterprise was almost something like, "Star Trek: Top Gun" or Trek: 90201 - young bucks at the Academy.

  6. One leaked plot for the second "Next Generation" movie had the Enterprise on a covert mission (If discovered, Star Fleet would deny authorization) to the Borg homeworld to explode a "Genesis" bomb. It required several incursions into Romulan and Klingon space, making the Enterprise crew "war criminals" and setting up future movies. The script was leaked so the movie never reached production.

  7. Another plot for the second Next Generation movie involved Spock and the Romulans and would have been loosely based on the novel "Unification."



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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:23 AM
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1. off topic - but fun
Edited on Mon Aug-18-03 11:23 AM by Kellanved
You might want to look at the German 60s Trek equivalent. Currently a producer's cut is in the cinema and it's awesome.

English Trailer:
http://www.schwanstein-entertainment.de/orion/orion_wsmall.wmv
http://www.raumpatrouille-derfilm.de




(I have posted this before, but I can't let it go)

On Topic: some of those possible branches are sounding a lot better than Enterprise.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:24 AM
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2. Theres also the first script
Gene Roddenberrys first script for the movie.

It would have been quite interesting but it dealed with god and it was consiedered too extreme at the time
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:26 PM
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7. is that "the God Thing"?
heard of it... would've been interesting!
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:37 PM
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8. yep exactly
It would start like the motion picture. They all have been promoted. Some years later some kind of ship comes to earth and the original crew gets together, there they find this alien who asks kirk doyou know me?

kirk says no i dont know you

The alien changes form, we dont see the alien we see kirk.. he asks it again.. kirk says no i dont know you. The alien changes shape again now we see him as jesus of nasaret, he asks kirk do you know me and Kirk responds.. yes i know you, and the alien responds.. "this is strange why didnt you recognize these other forms of me?" Now apparently this was a alien race who had made a "machine" to lay out the law of the universe and the mahine was meant to come back once in awhile but apparently since kirk didnt recognize the god images except jesus the machine had malfunctioned and not returned.

Now this seemed abit too heavy for paramount at that time and it got scrapped.. and im sorry it was.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:24 AM
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3. Thanks, but I couldn't help realize
If you change a couple of the words, you could have described the Bush Administration...

Bush: Phase II, a early 2000 series with the original cast - except Bush I. After the success of Clinton, PNAC brought it to the big screen, instead.

Several "Phase II" scripts were reworked for Iraq: The Next Iraq War.

2. Wolfowtiz, producer of Iraq I: Wrath of Bush, pitched this movie to PNAC several years back:

Etc.

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:25 AM
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4. Voyager wasn't a bad idea......
But the execution was terrible. If the show had spent more time with Janeway making tough choices and alliances to get by, it would have been a lot better than the constant reset button episodes.

DS9 found it's legs in the last few seasons. The Dominion War and the idea of DS9 being occupied by the Dominion/Cardassian forces was really interesting.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:27 AM
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5. The problem with Voyager was character development...
I wanted more tension between the Federation crew and the rebel Ma'kee (sp?)
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:29 AM
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6. voyager was soso
Edited on Mon Aug-18-03 11:29 AM by Kamika
The best series was the movie series 1-6 maybe part 7 too, next generation and ds9

voyager had so much more potential to really be unique with them being lost and all but they screwed it.

Enterprise is just sad. Its so bad its crazy. I could write better episodes then this.. enterprise has SO MUCH potential with this being theh federations first flagship etc but they just screw it with same kind of dull alien of the week crap as always
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