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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:39 AM
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What does "Moral Certainty" mean to you?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=1&u=/nm/20040903/pl_nm/campaign_themes_dc

I'm reading this headline aboutt the Bush liefest from last night and it has this catch phrase "Moral Certainty" in the headline.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS PHRASE MEAN?

I mean, is this our new "compassionate conservatism"?

Or does Moral Certainty mean "We'll tell you what's moral and that's how you'll live your life"

:scared:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:40 AM
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1. moraL certainty
it has to do with john being a fLip fLopper... and a baby kiLLer.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:41 AM
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2. "Moral certainty" = WWWD.
Once you know "what would W. do?" you can do the opposite.

This is certain to be the morally correct action.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:43 AM
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3. Misprint. Should be Immoral Uncertainty.
That is what it means to me.

Black is white.
Up is down.
War is peace.
Tyranny is freedom.
And the war on terror makes more terror.

life right now, I am afraid.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:44 AM
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4. It means that bush is on a mission from God
and he will not allow facts to get in the way of that mission.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:44 AM
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5. It means "I have God on my side and because of that, I'm always right"
And that should scare the hell out of anyone.

:scared:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:44 AM
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6. Inflexibility and an inability to adjust to situational ebbs and flows...
Usually found in zealots and cretins.
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:52 AM
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7. Hubris
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 06:56 AM
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8. It means:

"We are 'moral' and you aren't...follow us".

Just like when those lunatics think they need to come to your door to 'save you'. In order to get into that head-space they first must consider themselves "above" you, holier than thou.
Arrogant religious fucks make me hurl.

:puke:
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:07 AM
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9. To me it means that I am certain Bush ir morally bankrupt.
Tha's just my spin on it though. Feel free to correct me at any time.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:16 AM
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10. I have the bigger gun..... I am certain that
I can morally justify slandering a war vet, twist facts to suit my agenda, send men off to die so I can be a "war" pResident, give no bid contracts to friends who will abuse them, and generally take you all for a ride on my fantasy railroad to hell.


Oh... and I can change the entire culture of the middle east... with moral certainty.


I might add that Kuwait is not a democracy... and they actually like things the way they are. This is what I have heard... correct me if I am wrong.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:19 AM
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11. "You're either with us or against us," and if you're against us,
you're going straight to hell. The Apocrypha, and stuff like that. He's not just born-again, he's a whack job born-again.

:scared:
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:27 AM
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12. In current parlance. . .
Moral certainty means not a goddamned thing. Its a high-falutin phrase for "I am sticking to my dumbass decisions no matter how dumbass it seems or who it hurts or what danger it puts this country in because it makes me look strong."

Complete and utter pernicious bullshit.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:28 AM
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13. He's certain he's right - your opinion doesn't matter - n/t
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FunBobbyMucha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:33 AM
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14. Ever since I was a kid in the sticks, surrounded by Elmer Gantrys,
that phrase has always meant "steer clear of this fuckhead at all costs."

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:57 AM
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15. To Me It Means "Incapable of Original Thought"
The Professor
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:01 AM
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16. Dogma.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:18 AM
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17. Tunnel Vision
that's what it means
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:25 AM
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18. The non-partisan answer:
it is part of his theme of "steady, constant, leadership and direction."

His using of the phrase moral certainty in context, best translates to saying, "I know what I believe and I know where I'm going and I will not waver from that conviction, you can trust me on that."

/end non-partisan answer.

Seeing as how I feel like he is heading straight to hell and taking the country in tow, I'm not sure I want to get behind that. :)
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:57 AM
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19. They seem to be misusing the expression.
The most common use of the phrase is to express a very high degree of confidence in a judgment call, to state that although a fact or opinion is not susceptible of absolute proof, nevertheless there is no moral way to doubt it, or that an honest person judging fairly would be morally required to accept it, as in "I know it to a moral certainty that blah blah blah," or "It is so well attested and proven as to be a moral certainty that blah blah blah."

It is not used to describe a person or an attribute of a person, such as "he has moral certainty." In fact, its a bit of an oxymoron to say such a thing, because a truly moral person would rarely feel "certain," few things are ever actually morally certain.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 09:01 AM
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20. That the end justifies the means.
They so believe in their perceived vision of what is right, that it makes it acceptable to lie, cheat, or do whatever sleazy tactic it takes to get what they want.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 09:06 AM
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21. It means god is on my side, so we will certainly kill you.
Might makes right and the ends justify the means... and we will kill you if you are not one of us and do not obey the Führer.

"Amerika uber alles! Heil Bush!"

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 09:45 AM
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22. Hang on to yer wallet!!!! nt
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 09:46 AM
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23. In a word
"sanctimony"
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Gracie43 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:27 AM
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24. Moral Certainty?
My 'mind' is made up; don't confuse me with facts.
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DemWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:55 AM
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25. Repuglican Moral Certainty
We tell you that it's wrong to have an abortion, have sex outside of the bonds of marriage, have sex with a person of the same sex, do drugs, gamble, drink alcohol.

That is until on of us gets caught having an abortion, having sex outside of the bonds of marriage, having sex with a person of hte same sex, doing drugs, gambling or drinking alcohol. Then it's youthful indiscretions, or the liberal media making mountians out of molehills, just looking to smear someones reputation.
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sus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:51 AM
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26. everyone go read this book!
now! memorize it! report back in an hour.

http://tinyurl.com/3njg7

"Liberals do not understand what unifies their own worldview and so are helpless to deal effectively with conservatism. Not only is there no unified liberal political structure, but there is no overall effective liberal rhetoric to counter the carefully constructed conservative rhetoric. Where conservatives have carefully coined terms and images and repeated them until they have entered the popular lexicon, liberals have not done the same. Liberals need to go beyond coalitions of interest groups to consciously construct a unified language and imagery to convey their worldview. This will not be easy, and they are 30 years behind."

http://www.wwcd.org/issues/Lakoff.html
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