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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:50 PM
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What is the ultimate novel defining the 60s?
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 11:52 PM by The Lone Liberal
My nomination is “Armies of the Night” by Norman Mailer.

It is a shame we could not make it happen. A world with no predators, no one with the power to demean, all existing in love.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE! NEVER TRUST ANYONE YOUNGER THAN THIRTY! (Well the arrow of time you must be flexible. Inside joke for the flower people.)
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alaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:54 PM
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1. "On the Road" Jack Kerourac?
Edited on Thu Jul-17-03 12:07 AM by alaine
or was that in the fifties?

edit: published in '57
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:55 PM
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2. Ditto
:hi:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:58 PM
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3. ..late 40s and 50s
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:28 AM
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15. I second that that...being a 60s person
On the Road...truly inspirational.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:58 PM
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4. All the Little Live Things by Wallace Stegner
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 11:59 PM by BurtWorm
(I think that's the name) tells the story of the 1960s from the perspective of a crotchety conservative book editor, now retired, living in the wilds of Northern California. He scorns hippies--in particular, a pair he finds squatting on his land--but he shares some of their back to nature ideals. Meanwhile, he develops an intense fatherly affection for a woman of more liberal values who lives next door who comes to a tragic end. Besides being a beautifully written novel, I've never read any story about the sixties that caught the view of the people bewildered by it. I'm used to reading 1960s novels about swinging suburbanites and drugged out rat race dropouts. This book stands back and gives a wider perspective of the changes.
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cherryperry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:59 PM
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5. wait a darn minute
I'm writing as fast as I can!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:01 AM
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6. Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
hands down!!!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:02 AM
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8. Was that a novel?
I thought that was personal journalism.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:59 PM
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36. YES!
Second, anything by Terry Southern
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:01 AM
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7. The Magic Garden of Stanley Sweetheart...
by Robert Westbrook. I read it in 1969 at 15. Deals with straight sex, bi-sex, drugs, and an aimless college student. I was in Heaven! Never seen the movie but I've heard it sucks big time.
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:04 AM
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9. "Electric Kool Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe
about Ken Kesey and His Merry Pranksters. OK, not everyone lived like that or had such experiences but they were available for those who wanted them.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:06 AM
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10. That really wasn't a novel
That was journalism. If such a distinction matters.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:15 AM
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12. You're right...it's "New Journalism"...
and it's actually not a very flattering portrayal of the subject
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:23 AM
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13. OK then, be that way
if technically it's not a novel, I nominate:

"Valley of the Dolls" by Jacqueline Susann
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:25 AM
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14. Yeah!! That one passes inspection!
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:52 PM
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27. Valley of the Dolls is a good choice, but The Ugly American
is better, IMHO.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:13 AM
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11. "Midnight Cowboy" James Leo Herlihy
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:31 AM
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16. Midnight Cowboy - by far the BEST film ever made.
Dustin Hoffman was awesome....I still view it once in awhile...to bring me back to reality. DH was awesome!

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Jeebo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:40 AM
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17. "Stranger in a Strange Land"
How about Robert A. Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land"? I know it was in the early '60s, but it turned the word "grok" into a household word and helped to sort of set the pop-culture tone for the decade. Am I showing my age here?

Ron
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:50 AM
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21. great book
i have read all of heinlein` books..your as old as you feel...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:46 PM
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34. and also
"The man who fell to earth".
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the_sam Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:41 AM
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43. My favorite book of all time
Thou art God! ;-)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:46 AM
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18. "The Man in the High Castle"
Great novel.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:47 AM
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19. Red Badge of Courage
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:50 PM
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26. ummmm, wrong 60's I think
1960's he meant, I believe, but I agree with the 1860's
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:02 PM
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30. I always DO that after...
never mind...
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:06 PM
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31. Okay... Ivanhoe... best book of the 1660's
let's get all the 60's covered.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:13 PM
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37. ummm...how about Voltaire's "Candide"
Ivanhoe - set in late 12th century (not 60's), written in early 19th...
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:23 PM
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38. Nope. 1660s is
The Diary of Samuel Pepys. Hands down.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:19 AM
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42. oh, I dunno...Milton's "Paradise Lost", Thomas Hobbes "Leviathan"...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:48 AM
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20. if you" lived"
thru the 60`s somewhere you came across something that was written by terry southern..my personal fave was "candy" i gave it to a sweet young thing and the rest was history-till we broke-up.....i just went thru his history of his works in the 60`s- no one comes close in defining that time..
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Jalixm Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:56 AM
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22. Naked Lunch
Technically came out in 1959, but i dont care. Burroughs is king.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 05:52 AM
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23. Power to the little people!
Ah, I still have the same beliefs I did in the 1960s.
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:52 PM
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28. LOL Is that an inside joke?
:hippie:
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:14 PM
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32. That I have the same beliefs that I did in the 1960s?
Or that I believe that short people have the same rights as tall people like me?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:20 PM
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33. I have been forced to come back to many of the beliefs I had
in the 60's... that government is inherently evil, that the US is not the good guy... that the "silent majority" is wrong again... that people are sheep who follow the lies, but tune out the truth

it is friggin scary to think we are doing it again


without Abby Hoffman, William Kuntzler, Jerry Garcia, PigPen and lots and lots more...Jerry Rubin, gone...John Lennon, gone, RFK gone, MLK gone..... how are we going to do it?
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 07:52 AM
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24. The Crying of Lot 49
Thomas Pynchon's salute to the suburbs, Kennedy-era prosperity and paranoia, and just a touch of the then-emerging drug culture.

For the aftermath, see his Vineland.

I'm also very fond of Richard Farina's Been Down So Long, It Looks Like Up to Me, also written well before the decade was over and suffered its Hegelian antithesis.
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:53 PM
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29. Oh man! I had forgotten that one.
What a great story.
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:21 AM
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25. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
Ken Kesey was at his peak with this and "Sometimes A Great Notion".
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:53 PM
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35. Catch-22.
Still just as relevant. And as funny.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:28 PM
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39. "The Drifters," by James Michener
I think he chronicled the 1960s very well in this book, a novel about a group of "love children" and folk singers who travel around the world in a VW bus.
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kid shelleen Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:31 PM
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40. Let's not forget
Even Cowgirls Get The Blues.

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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:48 PM
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41. Chocolate Days, Popsicle Weeks by Ed Hannibal
A great love story, but the best part, IMHO, is his description of working summers in an ice cream factory.
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