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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:00 PM
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So I had this fiery, white-hot anger thing going on this morning.
Background: In March of 2004, my husband signed me up for a one-year membership at a famous-name gym. He had the monthly dues drafted from his personal checking account. Later, I went in and signed up for the child care facilities, and had them charge the monthly dues on my check card (taking the money from our joint checking account).

My husband was charged as agreed upon for my membership, but no money was getting taken out of our joint account for the child care. In June, I got called into the manager's office. This was not the same manager I signed up with - he had been fired. This newer manager told me my paperwork had been lost. My membership information had been entered into the computer, but my child care paperwork hadn't. In any case, ALL of my paperwork was lost. I had never received a copy of the membership contract - when I looked in my gym folder, all that was given to me was a copy of my personal trainer agreement. The manager asked me to fill out replacement paperwork, which I did. I also asked at that point if they could start taking my membership dues out of our joint account instead of my husband's personal checking account. She said that would be no problem.

At some point that summer, my original child care paperwork had been found, because I was getting double billed for child care. By then, the gym had outsourced the handling of their accounts, so I had to call THAT company. It took me weeks to get that issue straightened out, but I was eventually refunded for the overcharges.

Fast forward to today. I called the company handling the billing just to make sure there was no automatic renewal clause on my contract. I signed up for one year, and I did not wish to renew.

The CSR I talked to told me that my contract was until June, and I had four more payments left, plus child care.

It was immediately clear to me what had happened - when I signed replacement paperwork in June, it was entered into the computer as a NEW one-year membership. I tried to explain this to the CSR. She said she would have to "check into" it. She put me on hold, then disconnected me.

So I had to call back. I waited on hold for almost ten minutes and got a different CSR. I had to go through the whole story again. This CSR told me that all she could do was "research" the matter, and that it would take "AT LEAST" (her words) a week to receive a response for me. I told her that was crazy - I did not want another payment drafted from my checking account on the 20th! I didn't sign up for or agree to a contract extending to June, and I want out NOW.

She told me that she would need my original paperwork as proof. I said nobody appeared to HAVE the original paperwork, and that's how we got into this mess to begin with! She said I would need written proof that the June paperwork was not a new one-year contract or she couldn't do anything. At this point, I was boiling angry.

I called the gym and asked for help handling the matter. I was told that all billing issues are supposed to be handled through the company I had just gotten off the phone with. I explained that I had just tried that. I told this woman the story of what had happened with my paperwork. As soon as I mentioned the name of the original manager who'd helped us get me signed up, she said, "Oh! You'd better talk to our general manager."

I could feel the anger abating somewhat.

When the GM came on the line, I went over the whole story yet again. He looked me up in their system and saw clearly that I was to have a March to March one-year contract. He said he was sorry I'd had so many hassles. He said he would make a phone call, take care of everything, and I wouldn't be billed again.

I was competely mollified. How strange to go from frustrated fury to total relief in such a short period of time. I was so sure it was going to be another situation it would take weeks to solve.

My point? None, really. Just wanted to hear myself talk, so to speak. And to say that I HATE being required to have payments for anything automatically drafted from my account (my health insurance and life insurance providers require this too - I'd rather write a monthly check!). There's just too much room for error.



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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:06 PM
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1. Those gym memberships can be a real bear.
I remember having a hellzvu time cancelling a membership. It needed to be writing, but they kept losing my paperwork and each time another month would pass. It really stunk.

I belong to the YMCA - they have wonderful facility - a zero depth pool, lots of classes and FREE child care.

I'm glad everything worked out for you in the end, but I certainly understand your initial frustration.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:08 PM
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2. My experience with Bally's ensured I would NEVER join another
gym again. Not even month to month. Ever.

Glad it all got straightened out, they can be HORRIBLE.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:15 PM
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5. I had a bad experience with Bally's, too, in like 1989
I had paid an exhorbitant membership fee, and then ended up walking away from them because I didn't like the way they were managing the club. Thefts, stinky and dirty locker rooms, etc.

Strangely, a couple years ago they tracked me down at my new address and invited me to sign up for an annual membership for $68! That's it. Yeah, I snapped it up and now pay only $68 a year. The club near me is under new management now so it ended well.

but that's beside the point... just yacking :)
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:08 PM
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3. aaauuuugh.
I go to the local rec center. I have to wait a little longer for the machines, but none of that crap.

Wow!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:12 PM
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4. Patience is a virtue.
says grandpa K
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:51 PM
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11. Indeed.
But I'm not that virtuous. ;)
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:17 PM
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6. I will never sign or join anything that requires automatic payments
because you cannot stop the payments, even thought it is your money.

However, when I had a problem a while ago, the lady at the bank suggested that I issue stop payments for specific amounts on my account, so if the dues are $100.00 per month, you can request that your bank not pay any check for that amount. I do not know if this information is correct as I resolved my problem but you might ask your bank about it.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:36 PM
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10. absolutely never ever do that on a checking account
for exactly that reason. At least on a credit card you can report it stolen or lost and they'll issue a new account number, which effectively prevents them from charging, but they'll still try to ruin your credit with it.

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:57 PM
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14. I have no choice on my health insurance.
Drafting from a checking account was the only option provided. My previous carrier just did monthly billing, but I was paying more for less coverage than I get now.

I actually COULD just pay annually with my life insurance and not worry about the monthly drafts. I might just do that.

I will never again do it with anything else, though. IF I have to do automated payments, I'll put it on a credit card.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:18 PM
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7. That sounds incredibly frustrating!
Glad you reached the GM and he took care of it!
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aePrime Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:23 PM
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8. Is this Bally's?
Bally's is the worst; they are simply extortionists. I will never set foot in a Bally's again.

I once came across an entire website dedicated to how much Bally's sucked -- many of the stories were similar to mine -- but I can't find it at the moment.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:52 PM
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12. No, it wasn't Bally's.
I've got everything I need at home now for good, effective workouts. If I want to swim or take classes or something, I'll join the Y.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:34 PM
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9. hey, go ahead and name the gym
this free market thing doesn't work unless we name the guilty.

How about this:

Gold's Gym in Dallas was shut down for nonpayment of taxes. I lost a brand new 2 year membership for two paid in advance. State attorney general said sorry sucker.

I signed up at 24 Hour Fitness and found a better gym 3 days later. I called from work, because it was still within the 3 day "no fault" period for me to cancel. I called at 2:30 and they said that I had signed the contract at 12:30 pm, so technically I was past the 3 day period. The national company informed me they would continue to charge my credit card, and that they would sue me if I locked the card. I said, for TWO HOURS???????? What?The?Fuck?

I paid a visit to the manager of the gym in person. I sat down and told him that unless he wanted me to publish that story in the Dallas Morning News, on billboards around town and on every national forum I could access, he should exercise his managerial discretion and nullify the contract.

He did, but the corporation as a whole doesn't deserve another penny from anyone. The complete and total lack of respect they give to their "customers" means they don't deserve the ones they've got.

24 Hour Fitness can sue my happy ass - I have merely told the truth.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:54 PM
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13. Okay.
It was Gold's.
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