All this religious news is making Duers a bit crazy, IMO

[imenja]

and in this I, of course, include myself. Can we pretend it's all over already? Please!!!! :crazy: :banghead:

[Erika]

1. Get Braced - Religion is here for weeks!

The powers to be won't even start considering a new Pope for two weeks. In the meantime, it will be one long exposure to religion.

I heard Bush plans on going to the funeral so even more coverage.

[imenja]

2. yes, but do we need that to consume us on DU too?

Must we so reflexively respond to MSM all the time?

[Renew Deal]

32. We will need to choose a new pope.

Remember the candidate wars? They're back. :D

[Zhade]

34. KUCINICH FOR POPE!

I mean, he's Catholic, right? :D

[imenja]

36. we don't choose him.

God does, according to Catholic theology, though it is the cardinals who fulfill God's wishes by voting for the new pope.

I haven't been watching the news so I hadn't realized one was black. Where is he from? It's time a Latin American became pope.

[Renew Deal]

39. It was a joke.

I think the black guy that I heard about was from Nigeria.

[beam me up scottie]

40. BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!!!

:spray:
That was funny.
:rofl:
I'm sorry, I'll try to control myself!!

[JohnKleeb]

41. Arizine I think his name is

Of the contenders Ive read about the one I want is Belgian but there's a good one from Houndoras that seems good, the article I read didnt specify his social views but he seems to be a big defender of the poor and seems not to object to liberation theology too.

[imenja]

43. a liberation theologian would be awesome

but that's probably too much to hope for. Still, if the Honduran is not hostile to liberation theology that's a start. Latin America must have been biggest concentration of Catholics in the world. It's time they had one of their own as pope.

[JohnKleeb]

44. I agree with that and a lot of the contenders are latin

Not sure if he is a liberation theologian though, he seems good though. I just hope they do NOT choose an opus dei one or Ratzinger.

[imenja]

46. some info on the LA contenders, Honduran and Brazilian

You may have already seen this: "Several Latin American cardinals are also frequently cited. One is Cardinal Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga, the archbishop of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, who advanced a social justice agenda for years as president of the Federation of Latin American Bishops' Conferences. Another is Cardinal Claudio Hummes, the archbishop of São Paulo, Brazil, a Franciscan who was born in Brazil of German parents. He, too, is outspoken about social justice for the poor. But he is also said to be more theologically conservative than his predecessor as archbishop of São Paulo." NYTimes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/europe/03successor.html?hp&ex=1112504400&en=bc12f4558be85373&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Here is some info on Hummes social justice platform:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/503/116.php

[alarimer]

45. Tame nowadays compared to the days of the Borgias

Or when they used to be able to sell church offices, sometimes to the popes illegitimate sons. Very interesting history, full of all kinds of skullduggery.

[RevolutionaryActs]

3. Yup, because religion is a personal matter, and should be kept as such.

IMHO.


But here's hoping things don't get too crazy. :hi:

[imenja]

4. that is how I feel about it

and I myself am Catholic. I understand why the press covers this. It is an important news story (24/7 is another matter, but that is their obsessive nature). Unfortunately, coming on the heels of the Schiavo mania, it's all a bit much, even, I think, for Catholics.
And considering the great number of people on DU who are not theists and likely find it far more frustrating than I do, I'd like to see the discussion move on. I prefer to see religious threads in the theology forum rather than GD and elsewhere. Just my two cents worth.

[RevolutionaryActs]

5. I agree.

There are places for that, GD and the Lounge are not those places.

A few threads, I think, are fine.... but when every other thread is on a certain topic (The Schiavo, and before that the Gannon stuff drove me nuts too) it's absurd and needs to be toned down.

[JohnKleeb]

6. Indeed, I catholic too btw

[vpigrad]

7. The hate and racism is already getting tiresome

sigh

[Erika]

8. What hate and racism?

[imenja]

9. I wondered about that too

perhaps he's been offended by the anti-Christian threads.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

17. Or the anti-woman threads. or the anti-gay threads.

[beam me up scottie]

23. You forgot about the

anti-democrat threads.

[vpigrad]

10. Sunday is the most segregated day in America!

xtianity is about racism. Just drive by one of their churches on a Sunday morning to look at the division they create.

[imenja]

11. well if that isn't a bigoted remark, I don't know what is

and shows very little understanding of Christianity in history or the modern world.

[JohnKleeb]

12. dropping this because its such an asburd thing to say

[imenja]

14. No Kleeb, not in my thread

this is exactly the sorted of thing I was making a plea against. You two take it to the theology boxing ring. Please!!!!:cry:

[JohnKleeb]

16. I'll drop my case

just because I have no tolerance for illogical bullshit.

[jonnyblitz]

18. nor do i. this thread is full of it. nt

[JohnKleeb]

19. indeed

[vpigrad]

20. You call it illogical, but you have no answer to the segregation!

I used to work full-time installing sound systems in churches and still work about 30 Sunday mornings year in churches. I've been in as many different churches as probably anyone else here. I know a lot about those people. Being a black man walking into a white church is a very uncomfortable experience. More than once, a white minister has called my employer to ask them to send in a white tech. Again, I know what those people are like.

[JohnKleeb]

21. I am sorry that happened

but in my experiences with church, it has been a diverse area. That speaks more about the minister than the religion itself by the way.

[jonnyblitz]

22. i wasnt referring to YOUR posts.

trust me. :hi:

[Erika]

27. I don't see racism by DU posters

Nor do I see threads downing women, gays, etc.

?

[Kat45]

29. My church isn't like that.

Our congregation is mostly white, as is our town, but we are welcoming to everyone. A number of black folks have been checking out our church in the past year, and they keep coming back. An interracial couple just joined the church. Another interracial couple comes somewhat regularly, and their new baby played the baby Jesus in our Christmas pageant. A black couple has been coming every week. And another interracial couple come frequently. And a black woman. And another one. A black teenaged girl comes on occasion as well. These numbers aren't as small as they appear because we have a very small church, a small congregation.

BTW, we are a congregational church (UCC). The UCC is the church with the commercial saying our church welcomes everybody, and the networks wouldn't run it because there were gay couples in it.

[Left Is Write]

37. Nor is mine. Yes, our congregation is mostly white, because

we are a Lutheran church and many of the congregants are of Scandinavian and German heritage. However, we do not exclude anyone. Everyone is welcome, and there are several member families who are non-white.

[JohnKleeb]

38. and you live in Napoleon Dynamite's state

:D just ribbing you.

[imenja]

30. segregation in Churches is a factor of segregation in American society at

large. Neighborhoods and schools are segregated. Universities and workplaces. Do you think churches exist in a vacuum? You will never understand race in American society if you don't examine it's broader context.

Race and racism are post-Enlightenment social constructions invented and legitimated through science. To imagine religion is responsible for racism is contrary to all historical evidence.

[Longgrain]

13. Not for logical, well reasoned DUers...who would rather

share their feelings, rather than get into a flame fest...

The rest of you are free to duke it out...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

15. DU has been quiet and remarkably tolerant today

except for a handful that insist on posting flames. I've been amazed at the restraint of those not rising to the bait.

[Skittles]

24. I am shellshocked by Easter/Shiavo/Pope

it is too, too much

[Kathy in Cambridge]

25. We're drowning in it...really

:crazy:

[JohnKleeb]

26. its only gonna get worse, remember Falwell is sick too

[imenja]

31. I saw an oblique reference to that

but wasn't sure if it was a joke or not. I will not harbor un-Christian thoughts on this. I will not. I repeat I will not.
Okay, that's better.

[JohnKleeb]

33. No he really is sick

[beam me up scottie]

28. Suffocating, really.

When can take the duct tape off my mouth?

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. Shut up. And go away.

;) kidding....:hi:

[beam me up scottie]

42. FINE!

I'm packing up my sense of humor and leaving!!!
x(
Oh, you were kidding... sorry!
:evilgrin: