I love propaganda

[Bok_Tukalo]

It is such a weakness. I was writing a friend earlier and it reminded me of how stupid and silly my facination is with this tool. I watch the commercials and ignore the program (unless it is trying to propagandize). It's becoming an obsession. I see plots within plots; messages and manipulation within every little thing the Media has to offer to ensure that we live our lives in literate ignorance.

[Zinfandel]

1. You must adore Fox news...

[Bok_Tukalo]

2. I did awhile ago but not now

They aren't even remotely subtle and it's not as much fun.

[CanuckAmok]

3. I just saw a great one:

Maybe this has been around for a while, but I just saw an ad for Dawn dishwashing liquid, with footage of Dawn being used to clean pollutants off injured marshland ducks. The voice over was stuff like, "If this bird could talk, he'd thank us...".

The tagline is: "Dawn: saving wildlife for 50 years".

What utter bullshit.

[Bok_Tukalo]

4. No way!

That is so cool.

[Goathead]

5. I collect propaganda.

The Time Magazine that has Saddam Hussein with a big "X" through his face for instance. Oh yeah, the Iraq war or those that beat the drums I should say, have provided a tremendous flow of propaganda. I also love trying to identify the "moral values" shit. Non of it is subtle and I am trying to hone my skills in identifying the more insidious examples of propaganda in our society.

[Bok_Tukalo]

6. The "moral values" propaganda may have met its Waterloo

with Schaivo. It has gotten shrill recently; a good indication that it is losing ground.

[Robeson]

7. Madison Avenue doesn't spend billions on advertising for nothing.....

....they do it because, it works.

[ClintonTyree]

8. It isn't working on me....

each time a commercial invades my space the "mute" button gets pushed. I will not listen to that ludicrous crap. They sure do reach a whole bunch of Americans though. Our consumer driven economy is a testimony to that. How anyone can be so stupid as to be swayed by commercials is beyond me. It's no wonder republicans keep winning elections. They're masters of deceit.

[Robeson]

9. Yep. They don't call Americans "Sheeple" for nothin'.

[Bok_Tukalo]

10. Did you ever see the "Happy Jack" Hummer commercial?

It was awesome. Whoever put that one together knew their demographic well; the last glance by the boy intimating an almost dark glee at thwarting others whose motivations are only envy.

It was beautiful.

[Sugar Smack]

11. Hey, I don't know whether you've noticed this-

(but I have to get my Melrose fix every Saturday). I also watched the commercials. Anyway, I think politics have altered the aesthetic canon for female beauty! You know how for some time now the "best-looking" models have resembled Kate Moss: youthful, full mouth, big eyes and full cheeks. It seems makeup & clothes commercials are dragging in all kinds of suck-cheeked, hollow-eyed blondes off the streets. Namely, Ann Coulter. Spokeswoman for the right.

No one knows for sure what dictates the aesthetic canon for beauty. Marylin Monroe had an innocent allure. She invited imitation of her figure and face the world round.

But, say, in Nazi Germany, there was one look among "Aryan" women that was consistent to the core.

In the twenties, the imitation came from Zelda Fitzgerald. The flapper look was donned because of girls' open admiration for her brazenness. Frankly, I think politics are doing it now.

[Bok_Tukalo]

12. I'm not sure I agree that it is politics that is making the ideal female

image to be similar to a teenage boy with tits. I think that is coming from elsewhere.

Melrose? That's funny. My ex, a hard core libertarian that read more than any other individual I have ever known, considered it her guilty vice and forced me to sit with her and watch.

[Sugar Smack]

13. Then you know that Michael is "SMUG", right?

Anyway, look closer. Blondes have always been popular. Skinny women have always been popular. The past ten years have brought about an elfin, gamine look thought to be desirable in American females. What commercials seem to be pushing now, in the way of an ideal, is an almost horse-faced look.

I don't mean to start a contest with you (or maybe I do!). If you watch 2 hours of prime-time TV one day and don't see what I'm talking about, I'll personally bake you the cake of your choice and drive it 1,500 miles to your doorstep!

;-) ;-) ;-)

[Bok_Tukalo]

14. I'm aware of Michael's smugness

I was talking more of the body image than the face and expression of what is being pushed as the ideal female (and it isn't just American).

I will take your challenge and force myself to watch television to see if you are correct.

[Sugar Smack]

15. Be looking for the horse-faces

It'll be easy. I'm talking about the fact that the ideal seemed to be really child-like for about ten to fifteen years. Now, according to the larger corporations, a bony-faced, long-countenanced look is more in demand.

Gia Carangi started the gamine-waif look in the early eighties. It was strictly androgynous. She set the scale for what was desirable almost up until the day she died.

Do you like carrot cake, or more rich tortes, in case I lose? I can do all. I've worked in 3 bakeries. Something tells me you don't have much of a sweet tooth, though. Maybe I'll bring you southern BBQ!

[Bok_Tukalo]

16. Gia Carangi

There's a tragic story.

You are correct. I do not have much of a sweet tooth (although I can be easily tempted with cheesecake). BBQ sounds great. Throw the slaw right on the sandwich Memphis style and add some jalapenoes and you are my best friend.

[Sugar Smack]

17. *cough*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x3068411

[Bok_Tukalo]

18. Seems to me that the current "hot commodity" is Jessica Alba

Sin City, Fantastic Four, currently on the cover of GQ.

Coulter? Coulter is not being pushed as some ideal representation of the female body. Coulter is a sideshow; a clown. Conservative propaganda eaters and general kool-aid drinkers talk about her being hot and that's about it.