Already scoring shenanigans in Skating

[SoCalDem]

Our pair did a throw triple axel for the FIRST time..did it perfectly,m and landed it flawlessly..and look at the scores they received for it :puke:

If this was the first time it was done, why were they not awarded the full amount allowable? There is NO benchmark to compare it to.. THEY set the mark.

I was surprised at their relatively low score, and now I see why.. One judge SUBTRACTED points on that triple..

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[Darth_Kitten]

1. Didn't they single it?

besides one component in and of itself is not important...it's the whole program. :)

[SoCalDem]

3. Nope..they did the first throw triple axel

The commentators were overwhelmed at the perfection of it...And notice too, that one judge basically scored them zeros all down the line.. as far as that judge was concerned, they might as well have not even skated..

[Darth_Kitten]

9. There's been ladies landing triple axels....

who haven't won in prior competitions, one element does not make the program.

But I heard they singled this, but oh well. :)

[SoCalDem]

11. Single skaters do triples, but pairs had never done a throw triple

be sure and watch the replay.. I'm sure they will show it a brazillion times:)

[LisaL]

20. Couples do trow triples all the time.

It's the first time trow triple AXEL had been done at the Olympics.

[SoCalDem]

22. I had mentioned the axel part about 4 times in replies..forgot

this tinem but the reply was to a post about the triple axel..(picks nit)

[LostinVA]

13. No, they didn't single it, and under the new rules

it isn't the whole program -- only the elements. That's why it's said the new rules will hurt "whole program" skaters like Kwan.

[LostinVA]

12. Not under the new rules

[SeattleGirl]

2. I believe I heard yesterday that the judges cannot give

perfect scores. I'm not sure why that is.

[SoCalDem]

4. possibly, but a perfectly executed never-before-done maneuver

and they get a 1?? or a 0??

[SeattleGirl]

17. I'm sorry I missed it. I'll be it was a cool move.

And if they didn't get any credit for it, well, that does suck!

[LisaL]

21. Oh Jesus Christ. Of course they got credit for it.

The base value is 7.5 points. Judges can either add or subtract from the base value, but they certainly did get credit for it. This couple is not considered by anyone a gold medal contender. They skated amazingly well for them. But still they never had any hopes of winning a gold medal.

[LisaL]

23. Old system had perfect scores.

New system gives credit for each element.

[Divameow77]

5. I haven't been paying too much attention

to skating since the new scoring system was implemented, but where's the score for artistic impression? Is that what program components is for? Can someone explain to me how it's different and if this new system is actually better?

[SoCalDem]

6. Those are the second set of numbers..interpretation, etc

they are a multiple factor of a base score..

[LisaL]

18. And that's where they lost.

Because their technical scores were second highest in the competition.
On the other hand, their artistic scores aren't that high. Which is why they ended up in sixth place. Skating is a subjective sport, after all.
The US couple was never a gold medal contender, and they themselves had no hope for winning a gold medal.

[lakemonster11]

7. I don't know anything about skating,

but I watched the first three pairs, and I thought the pair you're referring to were by far the best. They did a lovely job, and the throw triple axel was very impressive and perfectly executed.

The next pair got a much higher score and they seemed to be out of sync most of the time. They certainly weren't nearly as graceful or fun to watch. I think they had a tougher routine, though (at least judging by their score in that category). The third pair actually made a pretty big mistake---the girl had to touch the ice with her hands to keep from falling over---and they got a higher score than our pair, too. :shrug:

I did think the new scoring system sounded interesting. If I remember correctly, they automatically drop the highest and lowest scores, then randomly select three others to drop.

The announcers kept saying that the American pair weren't in the running anyway, so I wonder if their score was based more on that preconceived notion than on their actual performance. Or it could be that while they looked good to the general public, their routine wasn't really gold medal-caliber. :shrug:

[Swede]

8. Here's a good synopsis of the new scoring system.

Footwork and spins, once seen as little more than filler between axels and salchows, have become a much bigger part of a winning program. "It's not just about jumps anymore," says Kimmie Meissner, also on the US team. "It's about everything else."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0213/p11s01-alsp.html

[Darth_Kitten]

10. if Kimmie says that then it must be true...

;) but seriously, it's about everything.

And I don't even want to try to interpret that score card. :)

[LostinVA]

15. Under the new rules, it ISN'T about everything per se

It's about elements. And, I think it's rife for corruption and screw ups... as this shows.

[Darth_Kitten]

19. that's what I mean, it's the whole package....

it's hard to say "they wuz robbed" but I didn't see the pairs short so I don't know if they were.

[LynneSin]

14. According to what I've read it's more than just doing the required moves

or one fancy jump. It's about the stuff that leads up to the moves, all those little extra things. The America couple did one really great jump (and also poofed the side-by-side jumps, if I'm correct). The pair couples in the lead did a host of extra stuff in between the required moves and thus they ranked higher.

Plus, don't you know you get an extra +1 to your score just for using a Led Zeppelin song for your routine

:loveya:

[LisaL]

16. And they did get high technical scores.

But low artistic scores, because they are not as good articstically as some other couples.