LOST watercooler discussion thread (***SPOILERS***).

[Beware the Beast Man]

Okay, here's Cathyclysmic's theory on the blast doors coming down on the hatch (as well as some others):

That is how the food is shipped to the people in the hatch, this way they have no idea how it got there. It must have come from somewhere on the island, since the Lostaways would notice an air drop.


Anyone else noticed that the woman in Lock's flashback was Sayid's love interest from Iraq? And then there's this, which looks like a map of all the hatches on the island:

[miss_american_pie]

1. Woman in Locke's flashback?

Do you mean Helen or did I miss something?

[Beware the Beast Man]

2. Remember when he was working for that "Welcome Home" company?

It was the woman buying the house. That was Nadia, the woman that Sayid was supposed to meet in L.A.

[miss_american_pie]

3. Oh!

I did miss that. Thanks.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

4. I saw that map too

And I'm wondering how accurate those translations are.

I watched the episode on my brother's bigscreen HDTV; we went back afterwards and paused to study the map up close. Even on the bigscreen HDTV, we couldn't make out a fourth of what's inscribed/overlayered on that image of the map.

I'm not saying that it's wrong or anything, but I saw that on another site and was wondering where it came from and how accurate it is.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

5. My biggest question: Who drew that map?

Whoever drew that obviously knew a whole lot about the Island -- except apparently for the big secret, the giant question mark in the middle.

Whoever drew that obviously spent a lot of time under lockdown in the Swan hatch (probably a Dharma employee?) but didn't know the whole thing. Are we to assume then that the Others and/or the Dharma people (maybe they are the same faction?) don't know everything about the Island either?

I guess it comes back to my original question: who drew the secret black-light map on the side of blast door?

[Beware the Beast Man]

6. Probably Desmond.

Just a guess, but I'm assuming he went a little mad down there.

[Mrs.Matcom]

7. What ever happened

to Desmond? Did he just disappear in the jungle?

[Beware the Beast Man]

14. He wound up on "24" as a German secret agent.

No kidding. :)


As far as I know, he just disappeared. Maybe the Others nabbed him, or he knew where to go in case of emergency.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

17. I thought about that too

But in all the conversations they had with him, it sounded like he had stayed in that first hatch since the guy Kelvin asked him to help. Remember when Locke tells him that they were in a plane crash, his response is something like "So, the world's still out there then?"

It just seemed like he had been cooped up (quarantined) there pressing the button every 108 minutes which makes it unlikely that he would have uncovered enough information to make such a detailed, annotated map.

Granted, it's definitely a possibility; but, it just seems that there's too much info on that map for it to have been Desmond alone. In fact, there's a date on that map from 1984; how would he have known what happened there so long ago?

Maybe "Kelvin" helped him? Or actually drew the thing?

[Cathyclysmic]

19. here is my theory on that

I'm thinking this lock-down that happened last night only happens when the planes drop the supplies every so often(didn't Hurley say it was about a 6 month supply?)because of exposure and messing up the islands experiment(remember the Dharma inc was interested in behavioral psych). Am I making sense on that theory?

So, the lock-down happens every six months. Desmond pointed out that a new person takes over the station every ? months. Now notice during the lock-down the black light came on? I'm thinking that is the long line of people stuck in this swan station passing on knowledge to each other of what the hell is going on . The little things they found out during their stint. Something that the Dharma big guns do not know about( just like, like any good behavioral psych experiment, the participants don't know everything that is happening and why...that's why the big ? in the middle).

Ok, what do you think about my theory? does it make sense, or have I lost it?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

20. That makes perfect sense to me

Especially seeing as a lot of the writing appeared to have been written by different people.

This kind of ties in with one of my speculations; I think that the real Henry and the fake Henry were to be the new replacements manning the button in that hatch. (Remember Desmond thinks Locke is the replacement at first.) There was an accident, and fake Henry assumed real Henry's persona so that he could get into the hatch by any means necessary (his job is to be there).

And, they were perhaps using a hot-air balloon because planes and the like made of metal get sucked into the Island?

And they dropped off the new supplies for the new hatch partners?

Dunno. Just my theory.

I like the concept of the hatch people passing their secrets down through that map, though.

[underpants]

25. Maybe Henry's ballon (the map Sayid followed) is really another

balloon from another airdrop.

Also the hatch (the ones the women went to) was clearly another Dharma hatch so yes the Others do use the Dharma stuff. Are they Dharma employees????

[Beware the Beast Man]

27. I think that's the consensus, for now.

It may be early for guesses, but I think the Dharma Initiative is some Utopian experiment gone awry, and the Others are a byproduct of it.

[Cathyclysmic]

29. I like that theory

I have only one problem with it(sorry).Why would his co-worker take Henry Gale's name? I don't see a strong enough motive. He could man the hatch and use his own name, right?

I don't know..this is making my head hurt:banghead:

[Tyrone Slothrop]

34. Well, I agree with you on that

In all fairness, though, I can't think of any good reason why he would use a fake name. And especially when there is still incontrovertible proof on the Island that he is NOT Henry Gale. (Why not destroy the ID?)

No matter who he is, why wouldn't he have given his real name (or a different alias) and said he was ballooning with his friend/assistant/navigator/etc. Henry Gale who died and had to be buried?

There's still something odd about his whole story/manner. Everything he's done has been about getting into the hatch and staying there. (That's what gave me the idea about him being the replacement.) Even after he freed Locke, he SHOULD have taken off and fled. If he was legit, he would have taken off from being held in captivity; if he was an Other, he would have tried to escape. But he stayed.

Which leads again to the whole question of why he was using such an (intentionally?) bad alibi.

[Beware the Beast Man]

24. My only problem is with the idea of an air drop.

A plane would have to fly pretty high to go unnoticed by that many people stranded on an island. Other than that, your theory is solid.

[Cathyclysmic]

26. True...

I wonder how far inland this hatch is from the beach? Has that been established?

[Beware the Beast Man]

28. The Swan Station? Not too far, maybe less than a mile,

far enough for Locke and Boone to keep it a secret, though.

[Cathyclysmic]

33. But close enough that a plane would be heard...

must be the balloon...but a balloon a mile away is pretty noticeable.

[JackBeck]

8. Did anyone else notice all of the "Wizard of Oz" references?

Henry Gale (Uncle Henry's full name in "Wizard of Oz") is the name of the man who came to an island on the hot air balloon (which is how Dorothy tries to leave Oz)

Locke gets his legs caught underneath the door. A house falls on the Witch in "Oz" and all we see are her legs sticking out from under the house.

Where was the flight leaving from before it crashed on "Lost"? Australia. Another name for Australia is Oz.

Just some food for thought.

[Beware the Beast Man]

10. Great points!

Someone on TWOP mentioned the Henry Gale/balloon connection, but the Locke/wicked witch parallel is news to me. I like it.

[Wilber_Stool]

30. Another point,

Why did the ersatz Henry Gale take such care in burying the real Henry Gale (carefully piled rocks and cross marker) if he had just found the body in the jungle? I think there must have been a relationship between them before he died.

[LynneSin]

9. Wasn't that woman Katie Sagal?

I thought Sayid's woman was persian

[progmom]

11. Katey Sagal was his girlfriend

There was also a woman for whom he was giving a house inspection. That's Sayid's woman.

[LynneSin]

15. I think I was on a bathroom break

:shrug:

[progmom]

16. it was a short scene

....and this is why we LOVE Tivo!! :bounce:

[Beware the Beast Man]

12. Not Helen, but the one whose house he was working on.

She was on the screen for just a moment, but she was unmistakable.

[Beware the Beast Man]

13. Another popular theory is that Cooper (Locke's dad) is the real Sawyer

Remember that "Sawyer" took that name of the man who conned his family. If you recall from last season, Sawyer killed the wrong guy when he went to Australia.

[Huckebein the Raven]

18. Here's another picture of the door from The Hatch Online:

http://www.forums.thehatchonline.com/index.php?showtopic=425

and this one from a thread at Gamefaqs.com:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=225&topic=27247871

[Cathyclysmic]

21. thanks

very helpful

[Beware the Beast Man]

22. Nice find, thanks!

And welcome back! :hi:

[Huckebein the Raven]

32. thanks

:hi:

[underpants]

23. Aha there it is Richard Hatch is going to help save them

BRILLIANT!

[Cathyclysmic]

31. His blindingly white ass is the cure they have been looking for!

BRILLIANT INDEED!