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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:51 PM
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Jack just uttered a four word sentence!
I made him some noodles and veggies for lunch, and he sat down, started to eat, and with the the most animated voice, announced, "Mmmmm! Dis' is goot!" ("this is good".)
If you need some persepctive as to why this is a big deal, he's going on 3 1/2, and can only say about a dozen discernable words with ANY regularity (although he does occasionally say "I did it!"). It's just further confirmation of my gut feeling that he can understand language and structure FAR more than he can express. I'm not letting ANY of the "experts" suggest that he might not have the capacity to be productively verbal! Okay. end of brag. I'm just excited for him!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:52 PM
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1. Considerably more advanced in communication than some of my students
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:57 PM
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5. And the Chimperor. n/t
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:58 PM
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28. I think his foreign policy would involve lots of hugs and the sharing of
crackers. It would most certainly be a step up from what we have now (drooling, stuttering, and not playing well with others!)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:30 PM
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40. Yes! Jack for President!
:patriot:
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:52 PM
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2. Jack's da bomb!
:applause:
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:54 PM
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3. My first words..
Was a long sentence about wanting someone to read me the big bird book. Kinda out of the blue.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:56 PM
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4. A friend of mine
did not utter a word until he was almost two, when he said clearly and distinctly, "Look at the bus." People develop completely differently and all those "milestones" can be thrown by the wayside when you know your own kid.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:58 PM
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6. Yay, Jack!!!
:loveya:

Post a pic. Please! :hi:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:07 PM
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8. How 'bout "Spaghetti Face"?


OR

"In love with the giant Barbie head":

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:11 PM
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9. Adorable!!
I've already fallen in love with him! :loveya:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:17 PM
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12. he is SOOOO gorgeous! Congrats on the milestone. It's your hard work
that is a big part of how awesome this lil dude is...

PROPS TO MOM and YAYAYAYAY FOR THE JACKISTAN!
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:17 PM
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14. OMG!
look at those eyes! what a sweetie!:hug:

I guess I'll just hafta go hug my own kid.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:19 PM
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16. Hey, J-Chick!
When is the Scruffbunny getting home? :hi:
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:21 PM
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18. Sunday, July 9
:bounce: she's feeling really torn--wants to come home while staying in Stuttgart with all her new friends. :bounce:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:23 PM
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19. You'll have to have a "welcome back, Scruff" party!
I know you'll be thrilled to see her, now all grown up and everything. :)
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:18 PM
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15. He's just adorable...
I want to hug him. And a four-word sentence is an accomplishment of which to be proud. :D
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:32 PM
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61. I'm in love with Mr. Spaghetti-face!
Good show, Jack! :bounce: :loveya:



Lara - I'm late to knowing your beautiful Jack. He is a most precious and handsome fellow...(with a remarkably fine Mom).


As everyone here has noted: Children develop at their own pace --and based on what I learned years ago --children also understand language much earlier than you think. Many of the gestures they make as infants indicate this. Yet we've all seen instances of sheer frustration when they are not yet able to communicate verbally at 2 and 3+. They know- it just hasn't come together quite yet.


I'm sure Jack's got many more happy surprises in store for you. Thank you for sharing him with us. :hug:

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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:59 PM
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7. He understands more than he's letting on!
that's the nature of language development.....that one sentence would indicate that he has a good handle on language and communication. way to go Jack!
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:13 PM
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10. Happy Day!
:woohoo:
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:14 PM
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11. how wonderful!
I'm thrilled and love to see mommy brags!!
Jack sounds like a great kid and I'm glad you post about it here.

aA
:hug:
:loveya:

Hiya Jack!!!!!!!
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:17 PM
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13. How can the "experts"
know what his verbal potential is at 3 1/2??

My nephew had hearing problems as a baby/toddler and barely spoke until he was four. Now you can't shut him up. I worked at a child development center and many of the boys were "slow" when it came to language, and didn't speak in full sentences at 3 1/2.

My point is, many "normal" 3 1/2 year-old boys barely speak at that age, and the "experts" don't say "omg, that child is never going to be able to communicate at an adult level." They blather something about slow language development and move on.

Good for Jack, and thank god he's got a mom who doesn't listen to the "experts."
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:53 PM
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24. His hearing is fine- it's a mystery as to why he won't speak more.
He's behind the curve, even for kids with Downs, in expressive language. I think he's capable of saying a whole lot more than he does; he's just lazy and stubborn! He'll come around...
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:02 PM
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30. Sorry, I wasn't clear...
I know his hearing is fine. ;)

I was just using my nephew as an example of a kid who didn't talk much until he was 4 and nobody ever claimed he'd never be able to speak normally. In fact, they said that he was far to young for anyone to know for sure why he wasn't talking. It could have been the hearing difficulties (he wasn't deaf, just had tons of ear infections) or he could have just been one of those slow speakers..or a combination.

So I guess I don't understand how the "experts" could know if Jack's language development was because of his Down's or if he was just one of those boys who talk later (or a bit of both). Seems to me there are too many variables at that age to know for sure.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:33 PM
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62. As an "expert" I would not ethically be able to say that ANYONE
would or would not be able to communicate at an adult level.

However, I like to start speech therapy early enough to give children the best possible outcome. Most typically developing 3.5 year old boys should be talking by that age. If they're not, they should be receiving speech therapy.

My "expert" opinion :)
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:20 PM
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17. Das ist gut.
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 01:24 PM by DaveTheWave
Is German for "That is good". You have a talented young man there LaraMN :toast:

He must get it from his dad's side :popcorn: :hide: :rofl:
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:23 PM
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20. Yeah Jack!
:bounce: :bounce:

That's great news!
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snacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:28 PM
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21. Hooray for Jack...
and for you---it's a big day at your house--ENJOY!!!!
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:30 PM
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22. Ah LaraMN
Keep bragging, and keep telling us about Jack. He's so adorable! Big for him. You clearly are a proud mom. And your devotion shines through in all your posts when you're talking about your family! A big for you too!
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:30 PM
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23. Awesome! Go, Jack!
You've got a doll of a little boy!
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:54 PM
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25. Superb!
:thumbsup:
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:54 PM
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26. I've said this before,
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 01:55 PM by Beware the Beast Man
I think he's going to suprise a lot of people with his development as he grows up. He's just that darn clever. :)
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:57 PM
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27. I do, too. His problem solving skills are pretty advanced.
Which is developmentally great, and logistically nightmarish, at the same time.:rofl: That boy can operate the Dvd player and find a way to climb onto the top of anything...:scared:
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:30 PM
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60. I worked with lots of kids with Downs - from young to teens and I tell you
you can never underestimate (or predict) what they'll be doing when they're older.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:02 PM
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29. Have you tried sign with him?
It may be that he physically can't make the sounds ... yet.

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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:09 PM
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33. We've been signing with him since he was an infant, and he does
sign a bit more than he speaks. I think his issues are primarily with articulation, and that's just going to mean we have to practice sounds with him ALOT!
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:02 PM
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44. has he been assessed
for any central auditory processing issues? You can "hear" fine - but not be able to process what you're hearing. CAPD is another very misunderstood learning/developmental issue.
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:05 PM
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46. I don't know. What's involved w/that? He has a speech therapist
who he sees weekly. I wonder if that's part of what she evaluates? I've never heard that specific terminology.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:00 PM
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53. here are a few links for you......
Auditory Processing Disorder in Children: What Does it Mean?
http://www.ldonline.org/articles/8056

CAPD Parents' Page
Resources for Parents of Children with Central Auditory Processing Disorders
http://pages.cthome.net/cbristol/capd.html

Pay Attention!
Coping With Central Auditory Processing Disorder
http://d93.k12.id.us/~sservice/Coping_With_CAPD.html

Central Auditory Processing Disorder
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/ece/Research/cad/




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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:07 PM
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31. Woo-hoo!
That's wonderful!!! Nominated for Greatest Page!!! :thumbsup:

He's awesome. He gets it from you! :hug:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:10 PM
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34. Thanks, sweetie!
You're such a peach. Jack makes my day every day, but especially when he does new things. When you have to wait longer for a new development, it's just that much sweeter when you finally get rewarded with a glimpse of progress!
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:07 PM
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32. Yay!
I think you are correct. Any child understands more then they can say while they are learning. Experts suck.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:34 PM
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63. We do?
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:13 PM
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35. That's great!
:bounce: :applause: :hug: I know you're really proud! :hug:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:19 PM
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37. I am. You know what?
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 02:20 PM by LaraMN
Before he was born, I was afraid of what it would be like to take him out in public. I wondered if I'd get stares or rude comments, so on my first trip to the grocery store with him (when he was a few weeks old), I'm ashamed to say that I was too afraid to put him front-facing in the chest-carrier, in a position where people would see his face. It took all of about a month for me to do a total one-eighty on that feeling, though. After I realized that everyone who had met him adored him, I became nothing short of glowingly proud of him, and ever since, I've taken to showing him off, every chance I get. No one could ever make me sorry for anything about him. I love him beyond words.
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:33 PM
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41. You should be very proud of him.
Don't let small-minded people EVER make you or Jack feel bad! :hug: Screw 'em---they're not worthy of your company or his! :D
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:16 PM
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36. That is wonderful.
I'm excited for you, and Jack! :bounce:
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:23 PM
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38. Yes, I agree
This is very good! :applause:
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kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:28 PM
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39. A couple of the brightest people I know didn't begin to speak
until they were between three and four years old. Some kids seem to spend more time observing, absorbing, analyzing, & considering before they begin to interact with language. Glad to hear the little man likes his veggies!
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:05 PM
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45. Einstein
was a "late talker"...
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kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:07 PM
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47. I didn't know that.
My daughter spoke pretty early. Her first words (other than mama and dada) were "Yucky flies!" My eldest son's first words were "Thank you." My youngest son's... I can't remember. Bad mama!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:45 PM
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42. None of my kids even babbled.
They just up and started talking about age 4 or so. Every single one of them was noted as possibly needing speech therapy when they entered kindergarten, but oddly enough the school district never arranged for any therapy. It turned out that what the testing personnel labeled as poor diction was my children's version of my accent which is an amalgam of West Virginia/ Southern Ohio and my grandmother's West Ireland brogue.

I should note, 5 of the 6 kids haven't stopped talking since. One child tends to be relatively quiet but he delivers the bon mots on a regular basis.


Congratulations Jack!
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:07 PM
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48. when my nephew started school
they wanted him to have speech therapy.

They'd just moved to South Carolina from Hawaii - where he'd grown up playing with mostly "native Hawaiian" children"....... of course the rural SC people spoke oh-so-normally themselves, doncha know? :rofl:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:56 PM
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43. Brag away!
Any boy who knows enough to stuff Cheetos down his diaper to save for later is A-OK! (Can't get enough of that story!)

He's got it goin' on!!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:16 PM
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49. My son didn't say any more than a handful of words until he was about
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 03:17 PM by intheflow
the same age as your son. Then one day he spit out a paragraph, and he hasn't stopped talking since! :rofl: He was in special ed as a kid (ADD without the hyperactivity, and boy did I hear he was dumb and/or he needed to be medicated from the special ed "professionals"), but I never medicated him, just encouraged his creative, critical thinking skills. Eventually he developed his own learning strategies. He just graduated from college cum laud with a BA in English and Education (dual major) and is applying to Masters programs to continue the road to his dream of being a college history professor.

So I wouldn't worry about about your son's verbal skills, or lack thereof, just yet. I think some professionals have unrealistic and/or one-size-fits all approaches to child development because that way they don't have to deal with kids as individuals, on individual bases.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:26 PM
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50. And you should be excited!
Celebrate as much as you want-I don't think any reasonable person would stop you.

And it sounds like you need to make noodles and veggies all the time!
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:32 PM
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51. I get SO sick of all these 'standards' for kids
Your son is hitting only .267 in his tee ball league. We suggest a complete vision examination, an evaluation by a neurologist of his hand-eye coordination and other motor skills, 50 hours in the batting cage and a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether he has bat-ball issues. If you don't do all this, you're a Bad Parent.

What happened to seeing everyone as an individual? :shrug:



Jack kicks ass and melts hearts just the way he is. :loveya:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:39 PM
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52. Pretty cool.
Carry on, Jack!
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:02 PM
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54. YAY, JACK!!!!!
What wonderful news! Made my day/weekend!


:bounce:



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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:08 PM
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55. That's nothing. When is he going to utter a four-letter word?
:evilgrin: (Humongous congrats by the way. :loveya:)
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:26 PM
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56. This is wonderful news.
:hug: :toast: :woohoo:

and a :hug: for Jack as well.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:42 PM
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57. his receptive vocabulary could be quite large.
I don't doubt for a minute that he understands a lot more than he can express right now. Good for him...and for you, Mom. :)
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:56 PM
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58.  This is great news!! LaraMN, I've been right where you're at.
My son, now 22, was diagnosed with ADHD and borderline autism.

He hardly spoke any words until he was 3-3 1/2. Like you, the " experts" kept telling me
that he needed a special program ( no kidding!), would be severely speech delayed, yada,yada, yada.
Well, only a portion of that came to be.

He speaks with some difficulty but he has an extensive vocabulary and does just fine on his own.
He mainstreamed 5 out 6 classes his last year in high school. He still needs help with socialization skills,
but he hangs out with his best friend and goes everywhere.
Oh- he works part time and goes to school.

So much for their prediction of dire straits, severe MR and all the other stuff they told me.

Go with your gut- WE KNOW what our kids can do. We also know what they need help with.

This is the best news I've heard all day!
That little guy is going to progress and you are just the Mom to help him.

Bless you both!:hi: :pals:
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:28 PM
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59. Congratulations!
By the way, I'm an expert, and I work with a lot of little ones who understand everything, but are unable to verbalize much. There are many different reasons for it, and once I diagnose it, I get almost everyone talking :)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:29 PM
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64. Awww.....
He is about to by pass Bush....
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:33 PM
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65. Congratulations
My boss has an autistic who just graduated from high school at 19. He is a pretty severe case and still needs supervision but he now has a job. Of course, this was after she was told he was proundly mentally retarded. :eyes: Glad to hear that Jack is making progress!
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:35 PM
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66. Hell, he knows more German than I do!
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 08:36 PM by WritingIsMyReligion
:P :P

"Dat ist gut!"

Hah, I slay myself! :D

Congrats! ;)
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:38 PM
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67. One of my brothers didn't start talking till he was four
years old.

He hasn't shut up since.

On the other hand, when my oldest son was two, he was already talking up a storm. He used to spend a day a week at a Lutheran "mother's day out" day care. I taught him to say:

"Death to the Infidels!"

Which annoyed the priest to no end.


You just have to pick your poison...

:evilgrin:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:53 PM
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68. Gotta love that Jack!



What a sweetie. I'm with the others who think he will take over the world one day. I am already a strong supporter of his foreign policy platform.


:woohoo:


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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:07 PM
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69. WTG, Jack!
Keep working with him, Mom! He's doing great! :hug: :loveya: :hi:
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:08 PM
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70. Check with your school district office. Most school district have
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 09:10 PM by 1monster
early intervention programs for kids who are language delayed. They have prekindergarten programs in the schools for kids who need the extra boost. The kids get speech therapy and any other services they need in order to be successful in school once they are kindergarten age.

on edit: congratulations to Jack for his sentence. (And are you sure he has a small vocabulary? That sentence sure sounds like German to me. Maybe you are just speaking to him in the WRONG language! :evilgrin:
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:12 PM
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71. Your anectdote reminds me of my daughter's first sentence
"Not me, I didn't do it"

:hi:

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