I just felt the need to remind people that Al Gore is in Apple's Board of Directors.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

I'd be even happier if it was a Linux company instead. (Or in addition to.) But anyway, it's a remarkable fact I for some reason think more people should be aware of.

Have a nice day.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

1. Yeah but how big is his house ?

:hide:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

2. Enough to deep-fry a turkey

and give people room to run away to the nearest Olive Garden if anything goes wrong.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

12. Right on !

[Deja Q]

4. Who cares? If it's insulated and suitable for his family, it's a non-issue.

Just as long as he doesn't have to park outside and then bitch about it on his radio morning show... like the doofus we have on our morning show (KQRS)...

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

11. Ummm ... I was only joking. I am not a catty bat like some with the house issue - laugh.

Notice the hide smiley.

[Deja Q]

15. Ah! I will keep that use of the hide smiley in mind...

I usually use it when I say something naughty and want to hide from the masses who want to beat on me... and not in a good way... :evilgrin:

:hide:

[Deja Q]

3. And how many years he's been on the board, considering

Apple is only recently (the last 12 months or so) bothering to clean up the environmental messes it made...

Was the iPod battery disposal issue before or after Gore's time; Gore got on the board in April 2003 as I recall...? (See www.badapple.biz for more; but Gore's been on the board for a long period of time and only within the last ~9 months is Apple getting serious. Is Jobs that much a stubborn snotty scrooge-like goat?! Or is being on the board fettering Gore's laudable causes and it really has been due to consumer pressure that anything got done?)

Please correct me where I'm wrong. But I currently can't see how Gore is doing anything more than crying "Wolf!" and making big money off books he sells and sitting on the iBoard.

Here's the wiki entry on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore Says nothing about anything he actually does as a board member of Apple. :(

[crispini]

5. Al Gore is zero-carbon.

He has done everything possible to mitigate emissions from his lifestyle, and he buys carbon offsets for the rest. Furthermore, all profits from the book and movie are donated to organizations dedicated to fight global warming. I don't know about Apple, but as for the rest of his life, he walks the walk and talks the talk. You should do some research before you slander this good man, Toad.

[Deja Q]

6. I asked and you gave me an answer. What's the problem?

I was merely asking a question - to get answers from people who have researched Gore and his involvement in Apple, apart from the one thing everybody knows - that he's on the board of directors and as such is influential. (Did it occur to you I asked because I may have tried finding something in the past and couldn't, and you made the OP and reminded me I couldn't find anything so I thought you might know what he's doing in Apple?)

There's a big difference.

And if you want me to slander just ask. I did not say "Al Gore is a hypocrite because he works for Apple and despite all those years of working there it still took consumer complaints to get Apple to clean up after their battery problems." No. I did not.

I asked, in so many words, "Does anybody know what he's doing?"

If that doesn't spell out the difference between asking and slandering, I don't know what does.

I know he buys hybrid cars. (e.g. the wiki link, which adds cred he walks the walk...)

I am talking about his dealings with Apple. Why did it take so long for Apple to change its tune about the "iWaste" they've made? That's my question, I thought I made it clear but I can re-edit my message and if you give me hints on how to ask it, maybe I can curtail other people from thinking "SLANDER!!!!!!!!!!".

I wish he was on the board of a company that promotes Linux as well. But he chose Apple.

Nice to know the profits go to a good cause...

BTW: What is 'zero-carbon', and how come a hybrid vehicle makes him (or anyone) 'zero-carbon' when the thing still uses gasoline?

[Pierre.Suave]

8. Incase you are unaware

Apple Mac OSX has at it's core, UNIX. Isn't that the same as Linux?

[kedrys]

10. Linux is a flavor of Unix n/t

[Deja Q]

14. It is not true Unix. A commercial license would be necessary. Linux, et al, are essentially hacks...

They emulate the commands of Unix and in ways behaves the same way, but some significant differences are inevitable, as are compatibility issues. "Splintering" I think is the phrase, but I might be wrong...

(Compatibility issues help led the downfall of Unix in general...)


For more on the definition of "Unix-Like": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. "A commercial license would be necessary?" That doesn't make any sense.

By that reasoning, FreeBSD, OpenBSD etc. are not Unix either.

[Deja Q]

13. Not at all, I'm afraid.

Linux was developed by Linus Torvalds, around 1990. It is not really Unix, but a hack of Unix. He let it out into open source for free development by anyone.

OS X, came from FreeBSD. FreeBSD is not Linux, nor is it a licenses variant of Unix. FreeBSD is a derivative of BSD... Apple took FreeBSD, added some animation and other bits, and sells it as their own. Indeed, anyone using the GNOME interface can make their desktop look 98% similar to that of OS X with a few simple clicks; I'll see if I have one of my older desktop screengrabs...

I also find it odd that Apple, up til the day they ditched the Motorola processor, always said how much faster than Intel it was. The second they switched to Intel, Jobs started frothing over how much faster Intel was over Motorola. Huh?! Not to mention that OS X was essentially a PC-based operating system ported over to competing hardware; OS X on their Intel hardware would doubtlessly run faster because it was natively built for Intel, not Motorola...

And since Mac boxes are now mere Intel boxes, why won't Apple do the bright thing and sell OS X to PC owners with relevant hardware? (ATi video and what not...) I know Apple hates the clone industry (a pity, that's how the PC became ubiquitous...) but if they want market share they have one final opportunity to do so. Vista sucks donkey toes. Apple's had opportunities before and they keep blowing it because of their own inherent xenophobia and irrational belief everybody will follow their demands and do what they want. Well, not everybody has the money they are asking and these days, thanks to using PC hardware, their excuses are running very thin.

More on FreeBSD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD
More om Linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

Both are Unix-like, but they are not true Unix.

[crispini]

18. "But I currently can't see how Gore is doing anything more than crying "Wolf!""

That's a bit more on the condemnation side rather than a question. But no worries, you're right, it wasn't a rant. :hug:

Zero-carbon means you do all you can to reduce your emissions and buy offsets for the rest. You can buy carbon offsets to mitigate the impact of your jet travel, for example. What they do is they take carbon from other producers off the market on your behalf, or they plant trees. For example:

http://www.gocarbonzero.org/
http://www.terrapass.com/
http://www.nativeenergy.com/

And, yeah, Apple, like I said, I don't know about. It is, however, not quite right to say he "works for Apple." Members of a company's board typically don't do much other than oversight. Board members, for example, typically do NOT have offices at the company, and typically get together 4 times a year to just go over things and see how they are going. I would imagine that Gore could have some influence on Apple's policies, but the influence would go through the CEO and the COO; it wouldn't come about through him having staff of his own and being able to start an environmental clean up programme at Apple. Board members typically just don't do that.

[bbernardini]

7. And his wife was in the PMRC.

I like his environmental stance, but as a musician, I abhor his support of his wife's little escapade in the 80s.

[VenusRising]

9. You sound just like my husband.

:headbang:

[xchrom]

16. ...

:shrug: