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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:17 AM
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Which Famous Homosexual Are You?
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:18 AM
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1. Eleanor Roosevelt
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Fran Kubelik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:21 AM
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3. me too.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:23 AM
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5. me too!!
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:14 AM
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17. Me four!
Let's go back to our Whitehouse and toss Georgie out, shall we?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:22 AM
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18. hahahaha, among my very thoughts to a 't'...
:patriot:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:25 AM
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7. I'm Eleanor Roosevelt, also
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:36 AM
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22. Same here.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:41 AM
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25. Yep, me too. n/t
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:04 AM
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29. As it turns out, I am also Eleanor Roosevelt
I was hoping for Oscar Wilde, but I don't think I'm nearly camp enough!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:03 PM
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41. I changed half my answers, and still came up Eleanor after each change.
The poll seems to like her.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:55 PM
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59. Same here.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:29 PM
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69. me too (nt)
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:32 PM
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71. Same here!
:woohoo:
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:43 PM
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72. ...and me n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:35 PM
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82. Same here!


Eleanor Roosevelt! Nice to see you.

A Roosevelt yourself, you married your fifth cousin Franklin; despite the obvious incestuous overtones, your six kids were happy and healthy.

When Franklin got elected, you became perhaps the most controversial first lady ever - you spoke out for the rights of women; for the rights of the poor; for world peace. You were even a member of a union while your husband was in office - and when he died, you were the head of the UN Commission on Human Rights.

All of which is pretty kick ass, but to top things off you had a hot and steamy relationship with the lesbian journalist Lorena Hickok, who was so madly in love with you that she halted her career for you. Unfortunately, you couldn't give up your public life that easily - leaving her heartbroken.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:20 AM
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2. .
:spank:



Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.

Reason:
The Websense category "Tasteless" is filtered.


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URL:
http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/tests/homosexual


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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:22 AM
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4. Cary Grant
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:57 AM
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15. me too
:hi:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:02 AM
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28. I'm Cary too.
Notoriously, you're Cary Grant!

You churned out a bunch of high quality movies from an uncredited role in Singapore Sue (1931) to Walk Don't Run (1966), working with everyone from Alec Guinness to Alfred Hitchcock, through Katherine Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe. Your birth name was Archibald Leach - but that didn't stop you from being a mega-successful, international movie star.

You were also as gay as a Cornwall beach house; a long-running fling with fellow article Randolph Scott, who you lived with for many years, was followed by five unhappy marriages. You always denied your homosexuality, but being gay wasn't acceptable to a mainstream audience back then - and let's face it, you're pretty much a repressed stereotype.
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zingaro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:38 PM
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73. Me too.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:24 AM
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6. Deleted sub-thread
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:33 AM
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8. The Apostle Paul
Wooh. You're Paul the Apostle!

As lowly tent-maker Saul, you hated the Christians and persecuted them, until God got Biblical on your ass. You soon changed your name to Paul and became an ardent follower of Jesus Christ, preaching the good word wherever you went.

These days you're the patron saint of a whole bunch of different things, including musicians, newspaper editorial staff and hospital public relations. Don't ask us, we don't assign these things.

You're also gay. John Shelby Spong, Archbishop of Newark, has written: "The war that went on between what he desired with his mind and what he desired with his body, his drivenness to a legalistic religion of control, his fear when that system was threatened, his attitude toward women, his refusal to seek marriage as an outlet for his passion -- nothing else accounts for this data as well as the possibility that Paul was gay."

In the Bible you are seen to wrestle with your sexual desires, even though you yourself write about men laying with men as being "unseemly". A clear case of repression and denial?


RL
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:36 AM
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9. Eleanor Roosevelt
A Roosevelt yourself, you married your fifth cousin Franklin; despite the obvious incestuous overtones, your six kids were happy and healthy.

When Franklin got elected, you became perhaps the most controversial first lady ever - you spoke out for the rights of women; for the rights of the poor; for world peace. You were even a member of a union while your husband was in office - and when he died, you were the head of the UN Commission on Human Rights.

All of which is pretty kick ass, but to top things off you had a hot and steamy relationship with the lesbian journalist Lorena Hickok, who was so madly in love with you that she halted her career for you. Unfortunately, you couldn't give up your public life that easily - leaving her heartbroken.

Bitch.

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:38 AM
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10. there you are, people were asking about you the other day...
i'm Ela Roos too :hi:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:44 AM
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11. I came back a few days ago
didn't really go anywhere...just busy with work and I needed to take a little break from DU!

:hi:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:50 AM
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12. i think that was what was generally figured = just busy & stuff...
:pals:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:53 AM
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13. Hmmm...Cary Grant.
Nice.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:56 AM
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14. Judy, Judy, Judy...
:donut:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:50 AM
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36. Judy you say?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:12 AM
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16. The first lady of the world, Elenor Roosevelt
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:32 AM
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19. Eleanor Roosevelt
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:34 AM
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20. i'm say'n that Ela Roos gal gets around...
:hi:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:35 AM
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21. in my time i did get around .
:P
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:36 AM
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23. heehee, oh my...
:blush:
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:41 AM
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26. When she decides to reincarnate
She does it in a big way!:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:39 AM
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24. i can't wait for oversensitive types to show up
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:46 AM
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:20 AM
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30. I'm Eleanor Roosevelt
Eleanor Roosevelt! Nice to see you.

A Roosevelt yourself, you married your fifth cousin Franklin; despite the obvious incestuous overtones, your six kids were happy and healthy.

When Franklin got elected, you became perhaps the most controversial first lady ever - you spoke out for the rights of women; for the rights of the poor; for world peace. You were even a member of a union while your husband was in office - and when he died, you were the head of the UN Commission on Human Rights.

All of which is pretty kick ass, but to top things off you had a hot and steamy relationship with the lesbian journalist Lorena Hickok, who was so madly in love with you that she halted her career for you. Unfortunately, you couldn't give up your public life that easily - leaving her heartbroken.

Bitch.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:16 AM
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31. all right homos!!! -- i'm alexander the great!!
that's MISS alexander to all of you!!!

How spiffing! You're Alexander the Great!

Yeah, baby. You were the King of Macedonia, and conqueror of much of the world; you're responsible for the spread of Christianity, as well as Hellenistic society and even the Roman Empire. Your power was feared for thousands of miles around.

And how gay were you. When you'd conquered Persia, you fell in love with a male courtier from that court - scandalous in those days, because the Persians were believed to be uncivilised barbarians.

You were always really in love with your boyhood friend, Hephaestion, and when he died you were grief-stricken to a legendary degree: convinced that he would live on after death, you passed away soon afterwards.

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:18 PM
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43. hahahahaha: DING! we have a winner, i reeeally wanted to be Michelangelo...
but it was not to be :cry:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:44 PM
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53. yeah -- but think how OUTRAGEOUS it would be
if you could GET oscar and eleanor together for Tea!!!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:53 PM
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58. hee-hee, i love you so much dearest xchrom...
your mind is imo so clean & pure, and i love you so much for that as well my friend :hug: :hug: :hug: :* :* :* :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :kick:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:50 PM
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70. backatchya!
:loveya: :hug: :loveya:
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:36 AM
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32. Judy, Judy, Judy...
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:42 PM
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51. another cary here
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:41 AM
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33. I'm Eleanor Roosevelt,
so I guess I'm a lesbian.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:44 AM
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34. Cary Grant
What a hunk!
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:47 AM
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35. Eleanor Roosevelt
whatevah
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:54 AM
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37. Cary Grant
Are there any options other than Cary and Eleanor?
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:55 AM
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38. Cary Grant
hmmm.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:56 AM
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39. This is tacky, even by lounge standards. nt
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:00 PM
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40. Why?
I don't understand what's tacky about it. Really not much different than lots of other silly polls I've seen.

:shrug:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:18 PM
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44. 1. It's defining people by their sexuality alone
2. to make a joke
3. there's no historical evidence that many of these people were gay, for example Paul surely hated women but that doesn't imply he preferred men as he seems rather anti-sex generally, or in Elanor Roosevelt's case the evidence is at best incomplete and circumstantial.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:38 PM
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48. Damn you, LeftyMom why can't you let them have their "fun" in peace?
You uppity heterosexual. There you go caring about people again.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:39 PM
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50. 1. All these types of polls define their subjects by one aspect of them.
2. to make people laugh
3. the fact that some of them may not be gay is why the poll is not offensive in my opinion. It's all conjecture. Even Eleanor Roosevelt. The only reason it would be offensive is if people who read this poll consider being gay offensive. Why would it be offensive to claim that some straight people might be gay?

In the end, this poll is no different than a million others, like...

"Which country are you?"
"Which famous short actor are you?"
"Which famous courtesan are you?"
"What kind of fucking sandwich are you?"

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:46 PM
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55. Well, it's a common smear against straight people to call them gay, which insinuates that gay=bad
Eleanor did not fit into society's standards of a woman, so she is considered to be a lesbian. Paul was a raging homophobe, so he's somehow gay, something which makes no fucking sense, but it seems to be a common theme around here.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:52 PM
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57. But that's my point. This poll is only offensive to those who think gay=bad.
I just don't see how it's offensive in itself.

I also don't agree with your assessment that people think Eleanor is gay because she didn't fit into society's standards of a woman. I think people think she's gay because she was gay. There are a lot of women who don't fit into society's standards. Not all are considered gay.

I'm gay, by the way.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:05 PM
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65. "I'm gay, by the way."
:rofl:

I thought you were going to say your friend/sibling/neighbor was at the end.

Right to the money shot.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:39 PM
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74. I like the way it rhymes.
;)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:08 PM
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67. Like the screen name, btw
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:42 PM
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76. Thanks.
:D
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:59 PM
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60. Why, you insentive homosexu -- oh, wait
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 01:00 PM by LostinVA
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:26 PM
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46. correct...
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:06 PM
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42.  I thought I was the only one who thought so. nt
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 12:08 PM by jonnyblitz
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:39 PM
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49. Nope, not by far.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:01 PM
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62. Nope, not by a long shot
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:41 PM
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75. some background on john shelby spong
The Rt. Rev. John Shelby Spong, D.D., is the retired bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Newark. As the author of 14 books, he is the most published member of the House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church in the United States. His bestsellers include "Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism" and "Why Christianity Must Change or Die." He is a frequent lecturer at conference centers and on college campuses and will be a guest lecturer at Harvard this spring.

 Columns and articles by John Shelby Spong


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What accounts for Paul's self-judging rhetoric, his negative feeling toward his own body? An Episcopal bishop mulls the issues.




Homosexual History   Jul 29, 2003
The victory for gay rights in the Episcopal Church is almost complete.




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The Theistic God is Dead--A Casualty of Terrorism   Sep 24, 2001
The terrorist tragedy will help us step beyond yesterday's God, beyond pious delusions




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In this small land, the picture of Christianity's demise is clarified




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Innovative thoughts and new leadership could breathe new life into the future of Christianity.




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The Easter Moment: What Really Happened?   Mar 19, 2001
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Are the Left's Fears Legitimate?   Jan 22, 2001
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Is There Life After Death?   Apr 25, 2000
One spoke for hope. One spoke for realism. Uncomfortable anxiety filled the room. The debate had been 'vigorous.'




Shifts in Loyalties   Apr 4, 2000
Tracing the development of the Religious Right's ties to both political parties




Primary Priorities   Mar 13, 2000
The presidential primaries show us what really matters to the American voter.




My Thanks to John Rocker   Mar 2, 2000
A pitcher's stupid comments show that racism is on its way out




Anglican Battle Over Homosexuality Takes a 'Bizarre' Turn   Feb 15, 2000
While conservatives 'terrorize,' the church's liberal leadership 'temporizes'




Episcopal Flap Indicative of Problems   Feb 8, 2000





The Meaning of the Wise Men   Jan 6, 2000
The gospel writer Matthew believed Jesus was a 'Jewish gift to the whole world.'




No Room for Compromise   Dec 14, 1999
Christianity's integrity rides on how religious people deal with gay rights




The Drive Toward Individual Freedom   Jan 22, 1999
Breaking down prejudice gets my vote as the biggest change of the last century


http://www.beliefnet.com/author/author_44.html


another website about the right rev.

http://www.geocities.com/reuther_2000/spong.html
The 8th bishop of Newark Diocese of the Episcopal Church, Bishop John Spong has been a leader on fighting for a more inclusive church, ending the walls of hatred and exclusivisim against gays and lesbians, women. His book Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, back in 1991, made a tremendous impact on me. As someone who was an evangelical Christian, I was opened to new and different ways of understanding scripture apart from literalism.


more
http://www.liberator.net/articles/LiberatorMark/Spong.html
The best way to lose all is to cling with desperation to that which cannot possibly be sustained literally. Literalistic Christians will learn that a God or a faith system that has to be defended daily is finally no God or faith system at all. They will learn that any god who can be killed ought to be killed. Ultimately they will discover that all their claims to represent the historical, traditional, or biblical truth of Christianity cannot stop the advance of knowledge that will render every historic claim for a literal religious system questionable at best, null and void at worst.

speculation about paul -- this is VERY GOOD READ.
http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/apostlepaul.html


a list of ''gay heros'' -- paul is included.
http://www.gayheroes.com/paul.htm

gayheroes home
http://www.gayheroes.com/main.htm


this about eleanor roosevelt

During the 1930s, as Franklin prepared to run for president for the first time, Eleanor met a dynamic and feisty journalist named Lorena Hickok. Hickok was a star reporter for the Associated Press, as well as the nation's first woman sports reporter, and she and the tall, buck-toothed Eleanor soon became close friends.

Their friendship lasted for thirty years and was almost certainly sexually as well as emotionally intimate. After Franklin's election to the presidency in 1932, Hickok abandoned her career to work for the Roosevelt administration and be closer to Eleanor. They spent much of their time together, and when apart, exchanged thousands of letters full of passionate declarations of love. In one, Eleanor wrote, "I want to put my arms around you, I ache to hold you close."

It was Hickok who encouraged Eleanor to write her popular syndicated column "My Day," which began running in newspapers across the nation in 1935. Though "Hick's" temper and possessiveness caused friction and embarrassment from time to time, the two remained close friends until Roosevelt's death.
http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/roosevelt_e.html

this from the bbc

Yet another rumour concerns Eleanor's bodyguard from 1929 to 1933. Earl Miller was athletic, charming and handsome. Though a womanizer before he met Eleanor, the bodyguard stopped his carousing shortly after they met. He gained a sudden interest in women's rights and began to refer to his employer as 'the Lady.' Letters and photographs remain that point towards a deep affection between the two.

Eleanor's close relationship to Lorena (Hick) Hickok from 1933 until Eleanor's death is the final subject of rumour. One of the first female reporters, Hickok initially covered the First Lady for the Associated Press. It was unusual at the time for a female reporter to cover politics, but Eleanor insisted on allowing only women to interview her or attend her press conferences. The two became very close and Hickok was known to be a lesbian at the time. Hickok was variously said to wear men's clothing, smoke cigars, drink scotch and play poker with other reporters. It was Hickok's suggestion that Eleanor begin the newspaper column, 'My Day'.

The Associated Press felt that Hickok's relationship to the First Lady compromised her journalistic integrity, so she was forced to resign late in 1933. She eventually took up residence in the White House working there for the Democratic National Committee. In 1945, poor health got the better of Hickok. She moved away from political life to New York, where she wrote numerous biographies about Eleanor and Franklin Delano Roosevelt until her own death in 1968.

After Hickok's death, a collection of letters written by Eleanor was discovered - dozens of which included passages of open longing for Hickok. We now know that Hickok gave a ring to Eleanor in 1933, that she burned many of Eleanor's letters after the former First Lady died, and that photographs of the Roosevelt's family dinners at the White House were often cropped to remove Hickok before being published.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A493535

this from slate
http://www.slate.com/id/2112313/

In Eleanor Roosevelt's case, her lesbian leanings were long denied. Then, several years ago, her letters to and from the journalist Lenora Hickok were released. Those notes were so passionate and, at times, suggestive of physical intimacy that a sexual relationship between the women, if it couldn't be proved, also couldn't be ruled out. "I remember your eyes, with a kind of teasing smile in them and that feeling of that soft spot just north-east of your mouth against my lips. I wonder what we'll do when we meet—what we'll say," Hickok wrote to ER in 1933, concluding the note, "Good night, dear one. I want to put my arms around you and kiss you on the corner of your mouth. And in a little more than a week now—I shall!" (For all his talk of "smoking guns," Tripp produces nothing remotely like this letter.) Not every Roosevelt scholar believes this relationship was sexual, but many, including her most comprehensive biographer, Blanche Wiesen Cook, consider it likely.

my whole point to this is that in many instances i agree with you.

these are figures which are either known to be gay -- or there is good historical reasoning to believe that they were gay.

so in it's way -- albeit fun -- it's a good way of pointing to important people in history who were gay and made contributions to the world and society.{Disputable in paul's case -- but that is another argument}





















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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:49 PM
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78. That's exactly how I took this poll.
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:19 PM
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80. thanks
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:22 PM
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45. Eleanor Roosevelt!
Man, I hope to be HALF the woman she was. That's a very complimentary conclusion! :D
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:36 PM
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47. There's a buncha buncha Eleanor's today.
I'm proud to be one of them.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:43 PM
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52. WOO HOO!
Eleanors unite! :D

Wow, I just had the coolest thought. Remember that Eminem video where all the kids were starting a revolution wearing black hoodies? We should all get Eleanor Roosevelt costumes and march on the White House with signs that read "Eleanor would NOT approve!"
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:47 PM
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56. hey ronnyk!! i want to come to your dentist, figure i can maybe stumble...
over Timberlake too...hopefully :thumbsup: ;) :hi:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:00 PM
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61. My dentist is a scream!
I love going ... plus the possible celb sightings.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:03 PM
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63. hahaha, you're incorrigible you...
:spray: :rofl: :headbang:
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:06 PM
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66. I've got a few audio clips of Eleanor Roovesvelt we play on the station
Every so often on my overnight show and in our Old Time Radio Blocks; what a brilliant mind..
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:45 PM
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54. Eleanor Roosevelt. And I'm impressed, since we share a birthday...
(Same day, different year, LOL.):D

Eleanor Roosevelt! Nice to see you.

A Roosevelt yourself, you married your fifth cousin Franklin; despite the obvious incestuous overtones, your six kids were happy and healthy.

When Franklin got elected, you became perhaps the most controversial first lady ever - you spoke out for the rights of women; for the rights of the poor; for world peace. You were even a member of a union while your husband was in office - and when he died, you were the head of the UN Commission on Human Rights.

All of which is pretty kick ass, but to top things off you had a hot and steamy relationship with the lesbian journalist Lorena Hickok, who was so madly in love with you that she halted her career for you. Unfortunately, you couldn't give up your public life that easily - leaving her heartbroken.

Bitch.



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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:05 PM
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64. Charlie Crist? What the hell! n/t
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:09 PM
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68. Tim Hardaway
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:45 PM
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77. I got Cary Grant


Notoriously, you're Cary Grant!

You churned out a bunch of high quality movies from an uncredited role in Singapore Sue (1931) to Walk Don't Run (1966), working with everyone from Alec Guinness to Alfred Hitchcock, through Katherine Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe. Your birth name was Archibald Leach - but that didn't stop you from being a mega-successful, international movie star.

You were also as gay as a Cornwall beach house; a long-running fling with fellow article Randolph Scott, who you lived with for many years, was followed by five unhappy marriages. You always denied your homosexuality, but being gay wasn't acceptable to a mainstream audience back then - and let's face it, you're pretty much a repressed stereotype.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 04:08 PM
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79. Eleanor Roosevelt!
Who knew?
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:25 PM
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81. The cute one.
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