Oh wow... Wife Swap and this family

[belladonna]

They don't clean their house because bacteria is good for you???

[Deja Q]

1. Lemme guess - it's airing on FOX

[belladonna]

2. Nope, ABC

And yes, I'm embarrassed to be watching, but fascinated by the weirdness :blush:

[bigwillq]

3. I watch sometimes

I like Super Nanny too

[belladonna]

4. I like Super Nanny too

I usually don't have time to watch teevee at night, but I still have no work and no call back from my boss. I guess I'll enjoy the free time while I can :shrug:

[bigwillq]

5. I work nights

but when I do have a Monday off I watch Deal or No Deal at 8, Super Nanny at 9 and CSI Miami at 10....

I live such an exciting life!

:hi:

[Arugula Latte]

6. I like Super Nanny 'cuz it makes me feel like Super Mommy

I always think: "Day-um. I may make a mistake or two as a parent, but I am 5,000 percent better than those clueless people."

[bigwillq]

7. Yeah, I can't believe

how some of those parents...parent...There really should be a school that expecting parents go to to learn how to be a parent.

[belladonna]

13. When I watch some of these parents, I think I might deserve a medal or something

What's strange is that a lot of these people seem to have plenty of money and are successful in other areas of their life, but clueless when it comes to kids.

[LostinVA]

49. Supernanny validates my decision not to have kids

Hehhehehehehe

I like the show because JoJo gives out lots of good advice, and I love the way she says "naughty!"

[zanne]

63. I keep hoping she'll lose her patience...

Just once!

[KitchenWitch]

97. And you think JoJo is cute!

Of course, so do I!

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

106. "Go get in the Naughty Bed, Lostinva!"

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

111. I am so saying that on Friday afternoon.

[LostinVA]

116. hehehehhehehe -- "Give Lostinva hugs & kisses!"

[Midlodemocrat]

75. The guy last night broke my heart. I felt so sorry for him.

So young and all alone with four kids. I can't imagine.

But, most of the time, I feel like you do. I feel like a super parent after watching it.

[Arugula Latte]

83. Yes, I definitely sympathized with him.

Poor guy. He seemed so beaten down at first.

I hope he can keep it together now.

[Radical Activist]

93. I like the Fox version better.

They go to extremes in finding opposites.
I saw one episode where they couldn't just pick a hippie family. They had to pick a hippie family where the Dad was from France and a pastry chef. The swap was with a family of two marines. It was sick and twisted but in a good way.

[unpossibles]

101. OMG! i saw the first half of that, but missed the conclusion

yeah, the French guy was a little nutso, but in a fun way. I loved how when he picked up the lady he was dressed about as stereotypically French as you could, and she didn't get it, then when she asked him where he was from and guessed Iraq! Damn. Some funny stuff.

How did it end?

I admit I am addicted to these shows. Did you see the one (last week?) with the crazy aggressive and stupid lady who switched with the lesbian couple and then had (what looked like) a coke-binge freakout and kept calling herself a monster, yet I don't think she ever really "got it" at all. Sad.

[Radical Activist]

102. I never seem to catch

the conclusion of any of them. Yeah, I did see the first part of the homophobe swapped with the lesbian couple. The people at that show are sick but its kind of entertaining in a train wreck sort of way.

[Maraya1969]

99. I wish I knew this last night. I like wife swap sometimes. The Gargoyle

lady made my day. Her name was Marguerite something and I think she did another episode. Anyway, in case you missed and because I hate it when people post things with no information for those not in the know, she was the fundamental Christian whose on air freak out about her non-Christian host family was great entertainment. She even got a rap song made about her.

[Scooter24]

8. I'm just in awe about this family.

I just have no words...

[belladonna]

10. I really don't get her argument about him eating meat

And the way animals are slaughtered. I mean, she's not vegan and she eats meat... just not cooked. HUH?? :shrug:

[Scooter24]

12. I'm a bit lost on her education philosophy...

I can understand if she wants to home school them. But to let them educate themselves based on life experiences?

I mean, the oldest boy's math competency revolves around counting the eggs he brings in every day. I wonder if he even know's what Pi is?

On edit: :banghead:

[jmowreader]

96. Pi has apples in it, right?

[liberal renegade]

118. Pi r round

cornbread is square......

[SacredCow]

119. Don't you mean

Cornbread R square?

[LostinVA]

51. I know, she was making vegan arguments, but slaughters her own animals

WTF???

They were like a little survivalist cult.

[Dufaeth]

9. God wouldn't put anything on the earth to hurt us.......

.....................................huh?

[belladonna]

11. Yeah, that one had me speechless

Too weird for me. All I know is that I feel sorry for the family that gets to be treated to a raw meat diet for a week.

[LostinVA]

52. Bubonic Plague, Typhoid, Cholera

Botulism in the soil, etc.

Oh,but antibiotics and WATER are bad for you -- one makes you sicker and water DEHYDRATES you.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph.

[AngryAmish]

62. Has she every met a grizzly bear?

They are soulless killing machines.

[Scooter24]

14. Please tell me that woman does not lick her floors to clean them?

:puke:

[belladonna]

15. It sure looks that way

I guess we'll find out soon :puke:

[KurtNYC]

16. They have lived that way for a year (according to the daughter)

at least and they seem to be reasonably healthy.

She has no idea what she is saying about "her brain not getting enough cholesterol" because she has to eat cooked food ?!

[bicentennial_baby]

17. Raw f'n chicken?!!

This woman should be sued....Jeebus f'n christ.... :crazy:

[Scooter24]

18. I know!!

But I guess Salmonella is one of those "friendly" bacterias that they live in harmony with.

[belladonna]

19. That milk make me wanna hurl

Somehow I think I could force down the chicken... with a gun to my head, but still. But that milk??? No f'n way :puke:

[bicentennial_baby]

22. We're in agreement!!

And now, off to the chicken slaughter.... :o

[LostinVA]

53. I know -- but notice the daughter said they Had to "build up" to eating raw meat

Because of the toxins in it. WTF??? Yeah, because this of course makes it healthy. God.

I don't sue much antibacterial soap, because it DOES kill good bacteria, but I sure as hell do after I handle raw chicken.

And, I do NOT put my knives back into the drawer unwashed!

[Bonhomme Richard]

20. The more I see these shows the more I'm convinced...........

that there ought to be some sort of test before you are allowed to have kids.
In half these shows the kids ought to be taken out of the houses due to abuse.

[Digit]

21. I keep thinking of the parasites you can get from raw meat

I would refuse to eat that crap, too.

[BlueStorm]

36. Yes like tapeworms, roundworms, trichinosis

not mention other parasites and bacteria. I've eaten sushi before. I'm not sure how safe it is but that is about the only "raw meat" that I am willing to eat.

Ick!!!

Blue

[Scooter24]

23. 4 month old raw meat?!?!

and he eats it?

[belladonna]

24. It's got a wang to it

I don't know whether to :puke: or :rofl:

[Scooter24]

25. I think I'm going to cook my dinner a little longer tonight

in honor of that family. :rofl:

[belladonna]

26. I think the son has some anger issues

Can't imagine why :eyes:

[LostinVA]

56. He needs some therapy -- seriously

[BlueStorm]

37. WTF?

I saw that and thought "Damn that family has got to have stomachs made of iron."

Where the hell did they come up with this shit?

Blue

[LostinVA]

55. I loved how they were like, "Show me the studies saying it's BAD!"

See, those dumb doctors were just saying stuff, they had no studies, but he did -- off of www.rawmeatsurvialistsarecrazyinsane.com.


See, there's a reason why the Plague, typhoid, etc. spreads where there are unsanitary conditions: BECAUSE NOT ALL BACTERIA ARE GOOD FOR YOU!!!!! Soap and hot water ARE good for year.

And, brush your teeth with salt, you freak -- like people did before toothpaste was invented. BUTTER AND SALT???? OMG.

[LostinVA]

54. I started dry heaving during that part -- for real

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

59. Yeah, it was kind of gross when you did that.

[LostinVA]

60. Sorry

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

64. It's okay.

I've heard/seen far worse.

[JackBeck]

109. I couldn't watch the show last night.

I saw the commercial and started dry heaving and gagging. Of course, we saw it while we were having dinner.

[LostinVA]

117. I dry heaved during part of the show -- it grossed out Haruka

Who was on the phone watching it on her end.

Tres gross.

[Breeze54]

27. That raw food family and only occasional showers?

Makes me want to puke! Ugh!!

She 'edjumakated' herself? Explains a lot! :eyes:

[LostinVA]

28. My fav: water DEHYDRATES you

As a runner, and someone with common sense, this astounds me.

PLus, antibiotics make you SICKER. Oi.

[belladonna]

29. I try to keep an open mind

This time, it didn't work. Those people are straight up insane :scared:

[LostinVA]

48. Agreed -- totally nutso

That house? *shudder*

I can go with the organic-only cleaners, that's totally cool. But -- eating ROTTEN MEAT. I literally started dry heaving during that scene.

They're like a little cult -- look at how the teenaged boy keep reacting -- insanity.

(And, Stylist Dad was sooo closeted.)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

30. I have suspicions about the Iowa bunch

I suspect they are some sort of fundy due to the emphasis on home schooling, not needing education, and the biggie is the stockpiling of food in case of emergency. The kids act like robots.

"Germs are good for you and chemicals are bad for you"!!!
Talk about generalizations. This woman doesn't know about yogurt and buttermilk, which have GOOD buggies in them??? And she doesn't know that SHE is made out of chemicals.

You can get sick from raw food at home and you can get sick from raw food in restaurants. There have been huge class action suits against a restaurant for hepatitis due to eating oysters from uncertified waters.

[belladonna]

31. Didn't one of them mention the apocalypse?

And I agree on the kids... they're truly fucked up and the son is really, really bad at dealing with any sort of change.

[Breeze54]

33. The son??

Did you see the Dad's meltdown next to the toilet??
That family needs an intervention! Fast!!!

And to think that's where the first primary is held?? :rofl:

Yikes.

But I doubt that family even votes.

[belladonna]

34. Yeah, the dad had a major meltdown too

I was mostly pointing out the son because it's really concerning to see a kid his age adapt THAT badly to change. I kept thinking that I hope she hides the knives before she goes to sleep :scared:

[Scooter24]

32. And that man eating 4 month old meat?

[sakabatou]

35. O_O

:puke:

[fishwax]

42. a couple of times they said "would god put anything here to hurt us?"

I got the same vibe from them a couple of times, although the "unschool" brand of homeschooling tends to be more liberal, at least in my experience. (Conservatives who homeschool often do so in the interest of greater regimentation and discipline, rather than less.)

[BlueStorm]

38. They brush their teeth with butter and clay?

Sounds like to me that this family is just lazy to do anything.

I personally think that those kids should be taken away or something.

I have never heard of anyone benefiting from this kind of lifestyle.

Blue

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. They're not lazy. They work hard on the farm. They're just batshit insane.

The kids should definitely be taken away.

[BlueStorm]

40. I agree...

and what was up with the son? He seemed like he was angry all the damn time.

I would be embarrassed as a child that my parents would making me live like that.

I've had prime rib cooked medium rare and that's about as raw as I would have it.

Blue

[girl gone mad]

45. I think it must be some kind of nutritional deficiency..

from their diet.

[nonconformist]

41. That was come crazy shit right there. I've inadvertently eaten undercooked poultry before

And I got deathly ill... I'm talking vomiting, stomach cramps, laying-on-the-bathroom-floor-praying ill. Oy.

Let me see if I got it all straight - water is bad for you, filth is good, a little flame to the meat is horrible, and learning about anything short of how to survive the APOCALYPSE is a waste of time?!?!

Those poor, poor kids. What are they going to do with their lives when they're grown? That boy needs some serious help, that much I know. He has no ability to relate socially to other people, and he has anger issues to boot.

I think the other mother was right on the money when she said they get so defensive because they question themselves if it is right.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

43. Unbelievable!! This couple lives in Oppositeland - dirt=good; showers=bad

water=dehydration education=stupidity. Where did the producers find these people??

I like the husband's comment about how God wouldn't put anything bad on the earth.

Hey - has he ever heard of botulism, typhoid, The black Plague, polio, famines, flood, etc. and George W. Bush - holy shit


this family's been living in a cave!!

[Breeze54]

50. "This couple lives in Oppositeland!!"

:spray: :rofl: :rofl:

[Omphaloskepsis]

44. My question is...

How do two people this fucking insane find someone just as crazy? One of them must have been normal and got converted to batshitinsane by the other. God damn, I feel bad for the kids living with "team insanity."

[LostinVA]

68. That's what I think usually happens

[Tsiyu]

46. Now now

I am going to get flamed here, but i have to say that to each his own means we don't call people "batshit crazy" merely because they eat differently than we do.

These people obviously believe they are living a healthy life, so more power to them. And before you go off about raw meat and germs, just remember that if you could see all the nasty crap that goes into your "normal" processed foods that "normal" people eat, you would call those "normal" people batshit crazy, too. Our "normal" food is shit.

Since these people raise their own meat, they probably have healthier raw food to start with. Modern mass-production of meat is what spreads disease through poultry. They probably would not normally eat raw meat from grocery store chicken.

Now, the aversion to bleach was a bit odd, but I have no quarrel with their unschooling or their not bathing every fifteen minutes like many Americans. Again, to each his own.


I just try to remember that we all do "batshit crazy" things in this life, and I try to be tolerant of people who choose to try something different.

[Omphaloskepsis]

47. I slapped the BatShitInsane tag on for..

eating four month old meat in a jar and licking the floor. WTF? Really, eating only uncooked foods would be a good thing.. Just not when it is old chicken.

[Tsiyu]

57. I didn't see the licking the floor part

I did hear the one husband say the old meat had "a bit of a wang to it" which made me think-GROSS

But then, some people age beef as well. They just cook it before eating it.


They were "different," I will give you that :hi:

[AngryAmish]

65. OK, I eat 4 month old meat out of a jar

Duck confit. It is delicious. But there is a long process to making it and it is always reheated to make sure (very, very sure) that I kill anything inside of it.

Was the meat just thrown into the jar or was it specially processed?

I started watching the show and I got to the part where each of them started reading each others rules of the house. Then I decided "Hey, you just got the dry heaves four times already. If I stop watching this maybe I won't puke." Then I turned off the TV.

[LostinVA]

66. No, it was in a jar in the fridge -- can we say Listeria, boys and girls?

Duck confit is preserved and cooked, though.

[AngryAmish]

71. Ewww, ewww, ewww

I just gagged again.

[LostinVA]

74. I totally was dry heaving at that part

[KurtNYC]

61. I 2nd that and point out again that that family is healthy

I don't find eating 4 month old beef with "a wang to it" attractive but apparently it won't kill you. So while their food choices are different, they don't seem to be suffering from the problems that people have imagined. So either they are extremely lucky or they know (enough) what they are doing.

[LostinVA]

67. We don't know they were healthy

They didn't appear to do labs, etc. Raw meat has parasites, raw chicken salmonella, etc. The way they handled their milk was appalling -- and, my uncle had a dairy farm, I know what I'm talking about. You have to be very careful with raw milk. That is NOT a healthy, balanced diet, which every diet should be, no matter what diet a person chooses for themselves (and their poor kids).

They lived in filth. That is never healthy. They are organic, chemical-free cleaners.

And regardless, the mom at least had horrible gums, which is a disease, and can lead to worse dental complications. And, bad dental health=bad body health, especially heart disease.

[Midlodemocrat]

69. Well, we do know that they are bat shit insane.

and the way they are making those kids live is grounds for removal in a lot of states.

:puke:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

70. Midlo, why must you be so judgemental?

All they're doing is subjecting their kids to parasites, bacteria, fucking up their heads, and keeping them completely illiterate. Those kids were like feral creatures. Wait, was that a judgement?

[Midlodemocrat]

72. I got food poisoning last night from a restaurant, so I think I'm

a tad sensitive to dirt this morning.

Plus, living in filth....ick, ick, ick. I cannot imagine subjecting my children to that. Notice how those kids didn't have any friends? I certainly wouldn't let me kids over there.

They're doing a major disservice to their children by raising them like that. Kids don't want to be different.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

73. Aww...I hope you feel better soon.

I remember having some friends that lived in some pretty dirty houses and they got hassled for it. And none of those houses were ANYWHERE nearly as dirty as that.

[Midlodemocrat]

77. Thanks. I do feel better.

You can always tell when it's food poisoning because it comes on so hard and fast and leaves just as quickly.

The clean house thing is a big deal to kids. TM will actually clean up and start putting stuff away when her friends are coming over, which is fine by me.

We have so many brand new houses in this area, that are of course, spotless, so it's really not fair to the kids to let your house go like that. Hire a friggin' cleaning service fer cryin' out loud.

My friend has a major hoarding problem, but her kids are still little. When they get older, she is gonna have a terrible time with them. There is so much crap from TJ Maxx in her dining room, you can't even get into the room. It's awful. I've been working with her a bit because she's not on the right meds, but she also has a major case of entitlement which virtually eliminates her doing any of the hard stuff.

[LostinVA]

79. The upside is that I don't feel like I subject Haruka to too much mess when she visits

Just because my bathroom isn't as clean as my mom's. I feel like I live in a frigging laboratory clean room after that show.

[Midlodemocrat]

81. No kidding. I'm constantly wiping down counters and floors,

and stuff. I can't imagine living like that. I didn't live like that when I was single, let alone after having children.

What if they had one in diapers? can you imagine? :puke:

[LostinVA]

76. I agree with what was written on another site:

If they were black and lived in the ghetto, their kids would be taken away ASAP. Since they're white and live on a farm in Iowa, they get to go on a show and get $20,000 (for what? butter and clay???)

[Midlodemocrat]

78. If I lived in Iowa and was licensed to practice there, I would be

calling CPS this morning. That is no way for children to live.

I thought at first, from the promo, that they were on the poorer side because the house needed painting, etc., but when the show got into how they live, OMG. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that someone, ANYONE hasn't called CPS.

[Pithlet]

114. Yep. If they aren't bat shit insane

then there is no such thing as bat shit insane.

[KurtNYC]

80. Okay so how often could a person get salmonella and parasites and

still maintain a normal weight, skin, etc? If they keep ingesting salmonella and parasites, as you theorize, why aren't they dead or close to it?

[Midlodemocrat]

82. I don't know enough about the human body to comment on that aspect,

but the filth and squalor were appalling to me.

[LostinVA]

84. They lived in filth and that is NOT healthy

They have no dental healthy, not even basic brushing with salt or something, which is also unhealthy. You can eb full of parasites for years and not know it.

They'd been eating that diet for about a year. Leaving raw milk in plastic buckets UNCOVERED in a filthy basement next to a makeshift shower isn't healthy. I don't wash my hands, sue anti-bacterial soap alot, and I'm not skeeved out by germs and dirt. But the way they live isn't healthy.

THEY can do whatever they want, but subjecting kids to that IS negligent.


on edit: And, I never aid they were eating salmonella every day. I said they were exposing their minor children to the risk of salmonella, listeria, etc. EVERY DAY. Minors.

[AirmensMom]

85. Not disagreeing with you,

but I just read the manuals for both families (I missed the show). The other one seems almost as nutty ... and what's so healthy about eating take-out pizza and Mexican twice a week and eating out four or five times a week? She doesn't exactly have a handle on good nutrition, although she at least eats/serves cooked food and drinks water. And that woman is so obsessive about bacteria that she overuses disinfectant. She tries to paint a picture that's so perfect that it makes me want to :puke:. She clearly thinks she has it together 100%.

I think this show selects families that are not only direct opposites, but more extreme than the general population. I usually have a hard time deciding which family is nuttier. It sounds like the dirty family is pretty disgusting. She does have some points about toxic chemicals, though, which the other family uses without even thinking of the implications.

BTW, we fed our kids raw milk (it's delicious!). You do have to be careful where you get it from. And we kept it refrigerated. :D

[KurtNYC]

86. I don't pretend to have the answers on how this family lives (or why)

but the scientific method says "any exception disproves the theory."

We all live in a giant petri dish and each person's immune system fights an on-going battle against bacteria and viruses and cancer. People whos' immune systems have the upper hand are considered healthy, while those who are losing the battle are unhealthy. All I am trying to point out is that against our conventional wisdom, this family is not wasting away with diseases. And certainly that milk stuff only intensifies the mystery for me.

[KitchenWitch]

103. And I did not think they LOOKED healthy.

[LostinVA]

107. Thank you -- Haruka and I said the same thing

[AirmensMom]

58. I always miss the good ones!

:cry:

They do get some, uh, different people for that show. :silly:

[Strawman]

87. They were pretty awful

and worthy of the comments they have received here. From the bit I watched that dad seemed like a wannabe cult leader. I saw the part where the dad ate the 4 moth old meat and the son flipped out. It was just sad to think that some kid actually had to grow up in a house with that crazy dad.

But I'm getting tired of the "look and laugh at the stupid white trash" genre of television. I think it has cultivated an ethos of dehumanization of the rural poor. I feel like that's the button that's being pushed by the programming execs when I'm presented with this stuff.

[Hobarticus]

88. Please oh PLEASE do not hold these nuts up as typical Iowans!

Kee-rist, how embarrassing.

[Momgonepostal]

89. I don't think ANYONE thinks they are typical anything...

That family was anything but typical!

[Hobarticus]

90. I guess normal people wouldn't make for good TV...

What fun would that be?

[Momgonepostal]

91. Exactly! They have to have at least one crackpot family

per episode to make it work. Who would watch a couple of easy-going, mainstream, flexible moms trade places?

[AirmensMom]

92. From what I've seen,

both families are a bit odd. And both are extreme and completely opposite of each other. Also, most of the time, it looks like husbands went into it kicking and screaming. They usually act like total assholes until the end, although I have seen one or two exceptions.

[redqueen]

94. Well...

I hate to set myself up for flames (not really) but honestly, I gotta say that a couple of things they were doing aren't so crazy as they may seem at first glance. I didn't see the show, and granted based on what people have said here, they seem to be taking it to extremes... but limiting your exposure to germs actually weakens your immune system. This is not coming from wacko fundie apocalypto sites, but from medical studies.

Also, eating rotten meat has supposedly been used as a technique to rid the body of certain toxins or diseases, I'm not sure which... but anyway it's not so crazy as it sounds, apparently.

[AirmensMom]

100. No flames here.

I missed the episode, but read the manuals and biographies online. Must be our aversion to dirt or something ... because I see the other family as being more than a little obsessed with killing every germ in the house. Oh, and that's usually done using toxic chemicals. And that's OK? :shrug: What about all those fast food and restaurant meals out? That's healty? And they look incredibly shallow -- having to wear designer clothes, etc. Both families seem pretty extreme, but I'm guessing that people here can relate more to a family that at least cooks their meat, cleans their house, and conforms to a certain perception of success.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

108. Seriously, unless you saw the show, you can't understand their filth.

I don't have an aversion to dirt either. The manual doesn't depict the sheer filth and neglect in this family. The only math education this boy has really is counting eggs. Their kids were totally socially inept. It was really sad.

The manual doesn't express what was REALLY going on.

[AirmensMom]

112. Perhaps ...

although there have been plenty of filthy and neglectful families on the show before. I mean, I saw one episode where it had dog shit all over the floors.

But I get the willies reading about the "perfect" family that disinfects everything, eats out all the time, and only wears designer clothes. They probably douse themselves with designer fragrances that are made from toxic chemicals, but few people would see that as being nutty.

I'm just saying they usually choose families that are extreme opposites. Neither extreme strikes me as being particularly healthy.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

104. I grew up in a dirty house and i have tons of allergies.

I grew up in a house that was not sealed, not air conditioned, had dirt and dust, roaches and rats in it, and my parents smoked, and the town was polluted and stinky. All I did growing up was blow my nose. We had a big long haired house dog.

I had the usual childhood illnesses such as chickenpox.

The food was clean, we took showers and washed the clothes frequently.

After I was grown I got bacterial pneumonia from nonpathogenic bacteria, and had to get my lungs washed out several times so I wouldn't die. This was because of an emotionally abusive nagging husband. I was sick for about five years and wasn't sure if I was going to live. My immune system was completely depressed from the stress of being nagged. I have never smoked and do not drink alcohol either, and do not do illegal drugs.

[redqueen]

105. Anecdotal evidence, is... well, anecdotal.

I grew up in a filthy house and I hardly ever get sick. Even when I do, I don't get that sick.

However, individual cases, as we know, are just that. The trend seems to indicate that your situation is more the exception than the rule.

[IronLionZion]

110. I know someone who refuses to take vaccines

and has never gotten any other than the ones required by law when she was a kid in school. Somehow, she's one of the healthiest people I know. She claims she has built up a strong immune system but I think she's just lucky and she eats right and excercises a lot.

I'm still going to take vaccines.

[redqueen]

115. Yup, I take vaccines as well.

And I don't raise my own kids in filth...

only sayin. :hi:

[KitchenWitch]

95. I saw that last night!

one word: EWWWWWWWWWWW

[KitchenWitch]

98. I would have called child protection on the "raw meat" parents

aiyiyi!

[Arugula Latte]

113. Oh, please.

Everyone here is so judgmental! Who here among us has not eaten rancid meat voluntarily and licked our floors and refused to shower and lived a strange, isolated life in baggy overalls ...

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:rofl:

(notice that's rolling on the floor "LAUGHING," not "licking" ... )