Man Poured Boiling Water On Trapped Squirrel

[matcom]

<snip>

WOODSTOCK …#8220; While baking in her kitchen last year, Betty Bill walked toward her stove when the oven timer sounded.

What she experienced next, however, was anything but sweet.

Bill, of Crystal Lake, told a McHenry County judge Wednesday that from her kitchen window she watched her neighbor pour scalding water onto a squirrel trapped in a cage.

“He bent over and rested his left arm on his knee, and I saw him pour the kettle,” Bill said. “I observed the tail going wildly around the cage. I freaked out. I was holding myself saying, ‘Oh, my god.’ ”

Bill then contacted police.

Judge Charles Weech on Wednesday found John Grivas, 76, of 180 Ellsworth St., Crystal Lake, guilty of misdemeanor animal cruelty. He was sentenced to one year of court supervision, ordered to pay a $250 fine, and donate $250 to a conservation group. The maximum sentence he faced was up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine.

Officer Jeff Kelley, who was one of two state conservation police officers to respond to Grivas’ home Jan. 8, 2006, said he found a wet squirrel with missing fur and red welts around its neck curled under the corner of a shed when he arrived about two hours after the abuse.

He took the squirrel to Grivas and questioned him about it, at which time the squirrel started to spasm, he said. He then hit it with his police baton.

“If it was alive, I wanted to make sure it wasn’t suffering, so I put it out of its misery,” Kelley said.

Grivas admitted to police that he scalded the squirrel because he was upset with the animals chewing around a garage window.

“He did it because he was mad,” Assistant State’s Attorney Matthew Campobasso said. “He abused and cruelly treated that squirrel by pouring boiling water.”

Grivas’ admission ultimately led to his conviction.

http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/02/16/news/local/doc45d44104e882b934820326.txt

[DainBramaged]

1. and If he hit it with his car he would have gone free

Nature's little speed bumps.

[Coventina]

3. So apparently you don't understand the difference between an accident

and intent?

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[Deep13]

20. So apparently, the thought is worse than the action?

[Coventina]

22. No, what I'm saying is that there is a world of difference between

accidently hitting something with your car, versus setting a trap, boiling water, carrying the boiling water over to the trap and pouring it on the trapped animal.

If it were a case involving a human, it is the difference between "no charges filed" and "first degree murder".

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[Kutjara]

2. The punishment was too harsh.

The court should have simply matched the punishment to the crime and poured a kettle of boiling water over the asshole.

[Little Wing]

5. Or

up the asshole with a funnel

[slj0101]

81. ...

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[jilln]

8. And they should have beaten the policeman with his baton too

what an idiot.

[Robb]

6. "He did it because he was mad."

Indeed. Quite.

[stuntcat]

7. cruelty

this kind of cruelty to animals is the worst sign in anyone.
He should be put to sleep, not allowed to breath my air anymore or procreate.
I'm sorry I read this now.

[DainBramaged]

9. So you would kill another human being over this?

Jesus, what would the punishment be for murdering another human being?

[stuntcat]

25. quick easy death

it's simple to me. We're no more noble than the animals, especially killers.. why's a idle killer's soul worth more than the squirrels in my yard, or heck the thousands of kids starving to death every day?
Not meaning to join's y'all's bitter fight, I just want to tell what I'm sure of about this matter, what nothing a convesation like this will change in me.

[DainBramaged]

26. One child is worth more than all of the squirrels in the world

I value the life of a child more than all the squirrels in the world. Sorry you don't feel the same.:wow:

On edit,

Find me a squirrel that can find a cure for cancer, heart disease, build a faster computer, make a hydrogen powered car, stop global warming, land us on Mars and I'll agree with you.

[stuntcat]

28. (it was the killer's soul I compared to the starving children)

(just to make that more clear.
No, my mind is not changed about violent people.)

[redwitch]

51. why oh why do I click on threads like this?

I don't need to have more things to be pissed about.

[DainBramaged]

52. About the life of a child or the life of a squirrel?

[redwitch]

53. about sick, cruel bastards who would harm a squirrel or any other

helpless creature. I care about children too, I am a good multitasker.

[misanthrope]

27. You bet your sweet bippy I would**nm

*

[DainBramaged]

44. Then enlist and go to Iraq

You want to kill people, that's the place.

[misanthrope]

54. Who said I wanted to kill people at random?...

...I'm talking about one twisted old jerk who enjoys torturing helpless creatures.

[DainBramaged]

57. Gee, I wouldn't have known it from your original reply

So, you won't help him just kill him?

[idgiehkt]

70. yep

let's not forget how many animals have gone before this one. Apparently this was an older gentleman, so that probably means hundreds.

[DainBramaged]

92. Some people EAT squirrel, should they die too?

[stuntcat]

107. NO

of course NOT!

oh wait, you've got me on ignore, nevermind

[LynneSin]

10. I think the punishment should fit the crime

Pour scalding hot water over the guy who did this.

[Deep13]

11. Guess he misread the recipe.

Awful lot of anger here for a tree rat.

[DainBramaged]

13. Yup

I had over a dozen of 'em in my yard last year that I fed. This year two. Why you may ask?



Should the eagle die for eating tree rats?

[Deep13]

19. Don't eagles eat fish?

I wasn't aware thatt hey were land predators. Maybe they do both, but that is not my impression. Anyway, we have red-tails here and I'm sure they eat squirrels. I also feed the squirrels as well as other critters. This winter they have become fat, grey porkers.

[DainBramaged]

24. He/She sits in the huge tree in my back yard early in the morning

until I let the dogs out and then it flies away. There is no other excuse since ALL of the outdoor cats in my neighborhood have disappeared too. I have tried to get a picture, but I have been unsuccessful. I have to check with a neighbor, since she has pictures of he/she. I do live among the lakes in Morris County, but the lakes have been frozen the past couple of weeks.

The eagles in the mountains along the NYS Thruway don't have fish available to them.

[stuntcat]

31. compare the eagle's hunting to

a boy boiling an animal alive.
it's helping.

[DainBramaged]

33. Know what, I won't debate anyone who would kill a human being

over an animal, or children to save a squirrel. And that includes you.

[misanthrope]

55. Homo sapiens IS an animal**nm

**

[redwitch]

47. You make me sad.

[Deep13]

73. sorry.

You can come watch the rabbits in our yard if it makes you feel better. They come out at night to eat the dandilions in the summer and the critter chow in the winter.

[ThomCat]

97. People who will be cruel and inhumane to animals

tend to be cruel and inhumane to people too. x(

[azmouse]

12. I guess we can add squirrels to our flame war subjects.

:yoiks:

[flvegan]

14. Grivas is a sick fuck.

1. He deliberately trapped the squirrel.

Okay, he could've rectified the situation right there by relocating the squirrel (I'm sure he can positively id the individual squirrel(s) responsible for the attack on his garage window). That would have been responsible, and wouldn't quench his anger.

2. With the intent of hurting an animal, he boiled water. Probably knew it wouldn't kill the animal, but damn that animal would think twice about those garage windows!

3. Tortured the animal, and pretty slowly it sounds. Pouring boiling water from a kettle is pretty diabolical.

4. Knowing the animal was suffering, he released him. Seems his intent was pain.

Yeah, he might've done what he did out of anger, at least at the surface. In reality, he did it because, inherently, he's a sick fucking asshole.

[Coventina]

15. Makes you wonder what he would do to a child that angered him.

Or anyone else he felt he could dominate and punish.

But, heck, why should we worry?

It's only a "tree rat."

[flvegan]

16. "Nature's little speed bumps" I believe.

It's like a bad junior high flashback, sometimes.

[Gormy Cuss]

18. Yep, Nailed it in one. Once trapped, relocate the little furball. It's not hard.

Last summer we had a very persistent ground squirrel and we trapped him and released him back to the nearby hills where ground squirrels live in large communities,unlike their tree cousins, who tend to live in small groups or alone. Where tree squirrels can damage and destroy backyard landscaping,it's usually on a small scale. Ground squirrels are quite destructive because once they are comfortable in a yard they begin to form a colony in a complex tunnel system and will expand the colony every season.

It took several rounds to convince the squirrel to stay away. Each time we saw the squirrel in the trap the poor little guy was shivering and had urinated and defecated until it had nothing left. To look at a small terrified critter and think about pouring boiling water on it, you're more than just angry. You have something twisted going on in your head.

[Deep13]

23. They're territorial.

Any other habitat in the area already has a maximum possible population of furballs. Introducting one more will force a territorial confrontation that will starve either the new squirrel or one of the existing ones out the the area. If pest control is the goal, killing it is the only real option.

I'm not suggesting boiling water was the best idea, but most suburbs have ordinances against firearm discharge. This forces a homeowner to be creative, especially if he or she is reticent to get close to the trapped animal. If there was a real need to control the squirrel population in my yard (and there isn't) I would probably use a pellet rifle. No traps. No hideous innovations. As it is we feed them in the winter so they leave the bird feeders alone.

[Gormy Cuss]

45. I'm aware that tree squirrels are territorial. Ground squirrels are communal, unlike tree squirrels

Ground squirrels live in large colonies and when they wander into a backyard they need to be moved before they set up housekeeping. Otherwise, they'll be dozens of them burrowing in the yard within a year. Interestingly enough, the first sign of a ground squirrel hanging around our yard is the disappearance of the tree squirrels. The established colonies are three blocks up the road so it's pretty likely that the errant squirrel is part of that group.

Tree squirrels on the other hand are backyard critters. I wouldn't try to move a tree squirrel unless it was nesting in my attic, and even then the first step would be to shoo it away and plug the entry point. Tree squirrels rip the bark off of our trees, eat the new leaf buds, chomp on our fruit trees and eat our tomatoes. Our bird feeders are squirrel proof, so there's no issue there any more but they used to be quite a pest in that regard. Our tree squirrels also chatter all day long. In short, they can be a real pain in the neck but the idea of killing them to solve the problem seems pretty silly. All that would accomplish is freeing up territory for a new squirrel.

We have real tree rats -- roof rats. They use the trees as highways between houses. Once they show up there is no way to deal with them other than extermination by a pro, but there are plenty of ways to mitigate the risk that they'll move into your house.

[jobycom]

39. Just guessing, but he may have another purpose for torturing the squirrel.

Some people think that animals can communicate danger to the rest of their species in the area, so if they can terrorize one of the species, it will frighten the rest of them away. That may be why he didn't kill or relocate it. It was probably more than one squirrel tearing up his window, so he caught one, tortured it, then released it back to the wild to warn the others.

Not saying it would have worked, but I've heard of ranchers doing similar (though usually less gruesome) things to coyotes, for instance. That may have been his motivation, along with the anger.

Not defending it, hope you understand. Just saying, maybe that's what he was thinking.

[Gormy Cuss]

56. I understand what you're saying, but that's still twisted.

We're talking about a small, not at all threatening critter (and IMHO not a very bright critter at that)
in a cage. If the guy had tossed boiling water at a free squirrel to scare it away, I could understand that in the context that you described. A caged squirrel is terrified enough, to anyone who isn't seething in anger.

[jobycom]

67. I wasn't trying to say anything otherwise. nt

[DainBramaged]

17. I guess thread stalking and commenting on other DU members

is acceptable, but discussing the merits of humans over squirrels isn't?:eyes:

[Deep13]

21. Gottah say, I have no idea what that means.

:shrug:

[mike_c]

30. I'm not sure "the merits of humans over squirrels" has anything to do...

...with this story. The squirrel was no threat to the human. It inconvenienced him, and he responded with unnecessary cruelty.

[mike_c]

29. reading this story ruined my whole fucking day....

I feel sick now.

[jobycom]

32. Man poured boiling water over live lobster, charged $22.95 plus tip...

Sorry, I do see the differences, but I also see the similarities.

[Little Wing]

38. It's an equally disgusting practice in my eyes

[BreweryYardRat]

34. Sharpen up a stake, anyone?

I can't scream because I'm in class, but I want to impale that sick motherfucker.

[LeftyMom]

35. That man is a sick freak and needs psychological help before Republicans elect him.

:grr:

[DainBramaged]

40. Bravo, the man needs help, not death

This thread is amazing. people would advocate death of a human over the cruelty to animals? We kill cows, sheep, pigs, fish, fowl 24/7 for food, and we're supposed to be against the death penalty, yet the worst of us has come out in this thread.

How bizarre.

[LeftyMom]

42. "We kill cows, sheep, pigs, fish, fowl 24/7 for food"

No, we don't.

[DainBramaged]

43. yes we do

On edit,

We as a race do, not necessarily you or I.

[idgiehkt]

59. species, not race

:eyes:

[Goblinmonger]

77. which specific race are you speaking for?

Just keep talking; it all becomes clear.

[DainBramaged]

93. So you would kill a child before a squirrel?

[Goblinmonger]

106. Holy non-sequitar, Batman

Where they hell have I said anything remotely close to that. My comment was that you said "we as a race do" when clearly you were meaning species and your ignorance of that matter probably spills into other areas of this discussion. Unless you meant race, in which case I have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

[DainBramaged]

108. Pssstttt, HAHAHAHAHA I don't care

[jobycom]

60. My reaction, too.

Hence my lobster post. The vast majority of Americans, and an easy majority here on DU, have no problem with killing animals for food, often in painful, even horrendous ways. Yet they are trying to out-Republican the Republicans in their call for death to someone they find offensive. His action is only slightly more cruel than the actions most of them condone for their daily diet. I'm not big on cruelty, whether to animals or to older men who grew up in a different era and may have different attitudes towards animals than I do. Educate the man, punish the man to make the education stick, and put him on a probationary period so you can be sure the message has stuck. Or else kill all meat eaters. Otherwise, there is no consistency and no sense of proportion.

[misanthrope]

61. So he was born before Albert Schweitzer?**nm

**

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[jobycom]

65. Ironically,

I already have whoever responded on ignore... I take it the post was unkind? I'll never know. :rofl:

(my ignore list is very, very, very short).

[DainBramaged]

95. They must have complained about being ignored, so sad, too bad

[misanthrope]

74. Freeper? I'm not the one making excuses for animal cruelty...

...The "he's just a product of his time" line is one I'm quite familiar with since I've heard it used to placate racism all of my life.

[Goblinmonger]

78. "Grew up in a different era"?

So cultivating serial killers was OK when this guy was young? Torture of animals was OK at some point in time?

[jobycom]

79. Like, um, seriously, dude.

Who said serial killer?

As for torturing animals, yes, laws and cultural expectations were different twenty years ago, much less fifty. Seriously, how old are you?

[Goblinmonger]

80. The torture of animals

is a very common first step in the progression of serial killers. That's almost common knowledge isn't it?

on edit: I'm 40 and grew up on a farm in rural ND. I am now a vegetarian, but when I was young we shot squirrels that were on the farm. If I would have poured boiling water on one in a cage, my dad would have kicked my ass. And, if he were alive, he would be the same age as the asshole in the OP.

[jobycom]

82. "Almost common knowledge?"

Like, almost a virgin? Saying that serial killers start off torturing animals is not the same as saying everyone who kills animals in painfully horrific ways becomes a serial killer. There are many chefs who boil live lobsters who have never offed anyone.

If you are my age, you remember that it used to be legal to kill animals in films, and no longer is, and that it was once more common to see fur coats, made in a manner that I'm sure you're familiar with, than it is now. Cultural and legal opinions of animal rights have changed a lot. For the better, IMHO, but they have changed.

And my father, who is still barely alive, would have kicked my butt for torturing an animal, too, but he would have eaten veal and poisoned rats in very painful ways, and I helped him boil live crabs many times. All forms of animal torture that he would not see as such. Times have changed. This man grew up in a different era, with different standards, and needs to understand why what he did is wrong. But calls for his torture or execution are sickening.

[Goblinmonger]

83. I have never called for the torture of the guy in the OP

I agree that it is equally sickening.

I just have a problem with the "different era, ... different standards." I was raised by people in that era in the era you describe with films. I am a vegetarian and agree 100% on the lobsters. Why am I not a product of my era but this asshole is? It's like excusing Strom Thurman for being a racist prick because he grew up in a different era when others in the same era weren't racist pricks. I don't think this guy gets a pass because he's old.

[jobycom]

85. The posts I was commenting on did. nt

[Goblinmonger]

86. I realize that.

Just making sure my position on the matter was known.

And, fwiw, I knew the serial killer bit was a little over the top, but in a 10-second decision, decided to keep it in for effect.

[jobycom]

89. well

I've committed that "last second over the top for effect" crime myself a few times. Perhaps in this thread, even. :)

But I still don't see a connection between your post and what I said. I never said what the man did was justified because of his era, or that he shouldn't be punished. I just said calls for his death and torture (in the other order, presumably) were wrong.

[Pierre.Suave]

37. It is amazing the outrage

we as Americans have over the treatment of a squirrel while at the same time there is little to no outrage among teh majority to the deaths of people in Iraq.

While this was indeed a cruel thing to do, I dont think it was criminal.

I think sending people to die in Iraq, Killing Iraqis, and doing it all because of a lie for profit is criminal. Why are our courts not holding the people responsible for that, accountable?

[redwitch]

48. It IS criminal.

[idgiehkt]

49. newsflash

cruelty is cruelty.

You don't think it was criminal? When you start judging cruelty by who the victim is rather than the acts of the perpetrator, that is EXACTLY how you get a whole society of people who can accept the invasion of Iraq and the murder of innocent civilians. How is this justified? Because the portion of American society that justifies this war does so on the basis of racism and religious bigotry, i.e. the victims are 'different' so they 'don't count', just as the squirrel is different (by species and the assinine belief that animals 'have no feelings' or something), so it doesn't count. Why are these connections so hard to make? Torture is torture, and people who justify torture on the basis of difference are, in fact, the "majority" that allows our country to commit these kinds of atrocities in the first place.

[BarenakedLady]

110. Bravo!

:applause:

Exactly. I stayed away from this thread for awhile because I knew it would upset me. You hit the nail on the head right there idg.

[jobycom]

64. I can agree with a lot of that.

Not the part about his treatment of the squirrel being not criminal, but there is a disconnect in a society that punishes people for torturing a squirrel and allows a man to remain free and even employed as president who lied to cause the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

How many innocent non-American children does one squirrel equal? Not a fair comparison in a lot of ways. Most of us here would stop the slaughter and punish Bush severely if we had the authority, or could get those we elected to do their damn job. But it is a fair comparison to ask why our laws, our culture, our media, and our priorities make it easier to get away with Bush's horrendous crimes than for an old man to torture a squirrel.

I don't agree with the implied sentiment that we shouldn't worry about squirrels until we have solved the bigger problem, though. We don't stop worrying about armed robbery just because murders still occur.

[Zuiderelle]

102. You don't think it was criminal? Just because it's not as criminal as killing?

:wtf: So, I guess rape isn't criminal because it's not as criminal as murder. I suppose burglary isn't criminal because it's not as criminal as rape.

You sound like one of those people who think that gay rights are not worth fighting for because we have more important things to worry about.

There's plenty of outrage over Bush here. What's the point of your post? You don't care about squirrels? You don't care about any living thing except humans? You condone torturing a helpless animal?

This place kills me sometimes. :eyes:

[Pierre.Suave]

103. The difference is

:eyes:


that rape, and burglary, and gay rights all happen to, and are about, people.

Was the squirrel gay? Seriously, thats one hell of a tangent you are on there. We DO have more important things to focus on that wasting resources to punish a guy who hurt a squirrel. I am sure the Chicago police have more important things to do that wait for someone to hurt a squirrel. Are they going to arrest everyone that hits one with their cars? Here are the Chicago crime stats if you want to look at them: http://www.chicagocrime.org/



What about squirrel hunting? That is legal, not everyone can be a good shot and kill it instantly, I am sure the majority of them suffer after being shot. How do you reconcile that with your statements to cruelty and punishment of the offender?

So, no, I am not going to waste any of my time worrying about a squirrel when there are much bigger problems involving humans (you know, real people) and much better things the police can be doing with their time.


edit: on that block alone here are the crimes reported on the site:


Narcotics Possession: Heroin (white)

Theft Theft: Over $300

Battery Aggravated battery: Other dangerous weapon

Narcotics Possession: Cannabis less than 30 gms.

Battery Aggravated battery: Other dangerous weapon

Attempted robbery Attempted robbery: Armed - handgun

Battery Aggravated battery: Other dangerous weapon

Robbery Strongarm robbery: No weapon

[Zuiderelle]

104. Don't waste your time worry about a squirrel, but don't lecture others who do.

I'm against all forms of hunting, but regardless of that, there's no comparison to someone shooting a squirrel, even if it suffers because the person is a bad shot. Unless that person intended to make the squirrel suffer, then perhaps there could be some comparison.

You still didn't answer my question though. Do you think torturing animals is ok? Where do you draw the line? Humans merit your regard and compassion and every other living thing on the planet does not?

[Pierre.Suave]

105. you must

live one hell of a life of despair if you worry so much about everything. Do plants get the same recognition as a human? Do you weep when you see someone getting flowers cause you know they will never grow again?

No, as I said before, this was indeed a cruel thing to do, but it is not criminal. Of course I don't condone the torture of animals, thats silly to even suggest that and a ridiculous thing to have to defend, and I wont even waste my time doing so.

What makes this criminal?

[Zuiderelle]

109. LOL!!!! I live a life of despair because I care about animals!!!

:rofl:

Cute, jasonc, how you have construed that I said that I value animals equally to humans. I simply said that animals should not be tortured. I never said that I value them as much as humans. I value my child far more than my cat and dog. Doesn't mean that I would not object to someone torturing my pets.

You must live one hell of a life of numbness and apathy to not care about animals.

What makes it not criminal? It's against the law. That's pretty plainly criminal.

[Richard Steele]

46. People treat animals the way they WISH they could treat other people.

Mr. Grivas is one sick SOB.

[Hobarticus]

63. Nail, meet head.

Hope you don't mind if I use that little bon mot. That's so very true, and rather frightening when you think of it.

[Richard Steele]

68. I'm surely not the originator of that bit of wisdom.

That's something I heard somewhere that just stuck with me;
I certainly won't complain if you pass it along!

[DainBramaged]

50. Save the squirrel, save the world

My family and the human race as a whole is more valuable than a squirrel. Help the guy who hurt the squirrel, don't kill him for it. Otherwise, those who advocate the death of a human over an incident like this are no better than the man who committed the offense.

[idgiehkt]

58. you are exactly right in your header

Recognize that all beings deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion and you WILL save the world. Support a world in which we arbitrarily define who and what deserves kindness and compassion based on our own cultural prejudices and you will destroy it. Oh wait, that's what we're already doing. :eyes:

[rene moon]

90. Both are equally as valuable

One species is no better than the other. Cant have a balanced environment without BOTH humans and animals. This poor squirrel---what an evil act.

Can you understand that?

[DainBramaged]

91. Wait, ONE MORE TIME

HELP the bad human, don't KILL HIM over his stupidity. Can you understand that? Humans don't deserve to die for stupidity, and if you disagree god help you.

[idgiehkt]

94. I will bet you good money

this man will refuse "help" of the kind you are suggesting. This man probably sees nothing wrong with what he did, at all. Lock him up for a while. Consequence is the ONLY thing that works with folks like this.

[DainBramaged]

96. Help not death, can any of you understand this

or even bother to read above the last post?

[idgiehkt]

98. incarceration

not help, not death. Nice quote on Nader, btw.

[DainBramaged]

99. Glad you liked it!

[Deja Q]

66. If humans do that stuff to each other, you bet they'll do that to small animals.

[grace0418]

69. My home town folks! I'm so fucking proud.

First they were trying to ban the Gay Games, now animal cruelty.

Hmmm, I wonder why I left after high school and never went back. :eyes: :mad:

[WindRavenX]

71. Reading this thread made me sad.

Some people really don't give a damn that a sentinel animal was scalded to death.

And WTF kind of false dichotomy is it to suggest that you can either care for animals or for humans? :wtf:

"It's just a tree rat". Precious :eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

72. What an asshole.

[stuntcat]

75. (I've earned an ignore)

from someone I'd like to've had some understanding with.
Shame.

[NorthernSpy]

76. "Each outcry of the hunted hare...

... a fibre from the Brain does tear.

-- William Blake:

To see a world in a grain of sand
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.

A robin redbreast in a cage
Puts all heaven in a rage.
A dove-house filled with doves and pigeons
Shudders hell through all its regions.
A dog starved at his master's gate
Predicts the ruin of the state.
A horse misused upon the road
Calls to heaven for human blood.
Each outcry of the hunted hare
A fibre from the brain does tear.
A skylark wounded in the wing,
A cherubim does cease to sing.
The game-cock clipped and armed for fight
Does the rising sun affright.
Every wolf's and lion's howl
Raises from hell a human soul.
The wild deer wandering here and there
Keeps the human soul from care.
The lamb misused breeds public strife,
And yet forgives the butcher's knife.
The bat that flits at close of eve
Has left the brain that won't believe.
The owl that calls upon the night
Speaks the unbeliever's fright.
He who shall hurt the little wren
Shall never be beloved by men.
He who the ox to wrath has moved
Shall never be by woman loved.
The wanton boy that kills the fly
Shall feel the spider's enmity.
He who torments the chafer's sprite
Weaves a bower in endless night.
The caterpillar on the leaf
Repeats to thee thy mother's grief.
Kill not the moth nor butterfly,
For the Last Judgment draweth nigh.
He who shall train the horse to war
Shall never pass the polar bar.
The beggar's dog and widow's cat,
Feed them, and thou wilt grow fat.

(...)

[idgiehkt]

84. that is so beautiful

thanks!

:hi:

[trof]

87. Damn. I used to live in Crystal Lake.

We used cattle prods back then, but I think they outlawed them.
:evilgrin:

[grace0418]

100. When did you live there?

I lived there from birth (1970) to 1988.

[judaspriestess]

88. what I am gathering is, this stupid poor excuse of a human

being sought revenge on a fucking squirrel with a brain the size of a walnut as if the squirrel somehow premeditated to chew on his fucking house and intentionally target him. Yeah, a squirrel who apparently is so advanced it could do this. So he decides to teach the squirrel a lesson?? As if the squirrel was going to scream out and say "OK Sir, I won't do this ever again" in English, because the squirrel should KNOW what the fuck is up. What a fucking prime example of degenerate human life.

Thank god he was not around me when he did this cause I can assure you he would have gotten his ass beat with his own kettle... Poor squirrel.

[Maine-ah]

101. ditto that!