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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:48 AM
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I have met Big Brother, and it is..
Me.

Alison's son (14yo) left the family laptop logged on and of course Alison took a look at his myspace chat thread. He talked to some friends of his about drinking at the movies the night before New Years eve.

Ali read him the riot act tonight without letting him know that she read his chat history Now Alison wants to keep tabs on him so I just downloaded a free keylogger and have been testing it on one of the kids accounts. I logged on her daughter's account (12yo) and went to one of her bookmarked sites (a penguin game site :-) ) and then logged out and accessed the key logger from our account. It works!

Now I'm going to spy on me.
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:45 AM
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1. Its something you have to do....
Just to keep your kids safe and sound....
It sounds extreme now..... but she's his mom and not his friend.....
and its worth it for your peace of mind.....

good luck... I did the teen years and I don't think I could EVER do them again....


lost

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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:56 PM
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6. Yeah, I'm kind of conflicted about it.
But Ali wants to get a handle on this before it has a chance to spin out of control. She can't make his choices for him, but she can insure she is not enabling him.
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flying_wahini Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:37 AM
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2. OK - I'll bite. I have heard about this program
and I'm not sure I want to go there,,,,, but I have a 14 yo
going on 17 and well, hmmm.

tell me about the program, is it hard to use?
is it buggy?
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:02 PM
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7. There are several, this is the one we are using.
http://www.refog.com/

It's called apply enough KGB Keylogger. Very easy to run. This version (the free one) does not have the bells and whistles but is quite easy to use and works. We can see every where they go on the web and everything they type. With the expanded versions you can get screen shots and see the entire chat thread i.e. myspace chat rooms, not just the kids, but everyone posting.
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:42 AM
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3. Sorry dude, but thats fucking terrible. I would never forgive my parents
if I learned they were keylogging me. There are few things that make me actually angry, but this is one of them.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:05 PM
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8. Well it's not the best thing in the world.
But I'm guessing you don't have kids of your own like Alison. Nor have you had multiple and I MEAN MULTIPLE friends die due to drugs and alcohol like me. Just out of curiosity, how old are you, do you have kids of your own?
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:10 PM
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19. I'm 16 and perhaps you are correct. However, because I'm about that
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 04:13 PM by TheFriendlyAnarchist
age, I know exactly how I would feel if this came up between my parents and me. The lack of trust and betrayal I would feel would be absolutely astounding.

I do have friends like Alison (I'm guessing). Thankfully, none of us have died. I do not, however, believe drug use is unconditionally bad. I think that it is all part of life. The important part is being (relatively) responsible about it. If Alison is anything like my friends, then they might not be the brightest or have the most common sense. They might also make some poor choices.

I think that there are better ways to confront this issue than by spying on her. For instance, TALKING to her might be a good place to start. It might not seem like it works, but as long as you aren't (what we perceive to be) an asshole about it, more of it gets through than you might think.

Instead of saying "No drugs or alcohol" (which will make you sound like the aforementioned asshole), be reasonable. Be an informed person, and be willing to DISCUSS the potential dangers and benefits of certain drugs (marijuana, for example, can have amazing benefits with very few repercussions as long as you keep the law out of it). Tell them, "I would prefer it if you didn't do 'y', but sometimes things happen." Make sure that they know about what they might take. Help them understand differentiating substances and the respective drug's appropriate dosage (of course, these are always approximations as everyones body is different, so error on the lower side). Tell them not to drive under the influence, and that, if the need arises, you would be more than willing to give them a ride (as long as they clean up the throw up that might result in the backseat). Let them know that if they have a problem, or think that something might be becoming a problem, that you will be there to offer your support for them, because after all, you do love them even if they did do something stupid.

All of us are looking for new experiences. Trying to lay down a blanket law that prohibits them and offers serious repercussions if these rules are broken are not going to do much for many teens, and certainly not those like Alison. I understand that at heart, parents do want the best for their children, but I think that sometimes the means used aren't the most helpful or the most effective.

You can't always shield us from pain. Sometimes people have to experience pain in order to live and beyond even that, to enjoy the life that they have. Part of being a parent (from most of my friends perspectives) is being their to help cushion the blows that may come, not stand in front of the swing to block it only to turn around and slap us for the punch being thrown in the first place.

I sometimes consider it similar to abstinence only education. Its hard to talk to your children about sex and what they should know about it, and of course it's much easier to tell them to just wait, but do you really think that that will happen for the majority of kids?

It all comes down to trust and rationality. Be a rational person, and be willing to trust your children. In turn, respect and accept the trust they will place in you. It will take time and possibly an attitude change, but in the end I think you will both be happier people. She will have her freedom, and you will be able to know that she is informed and knows what her actions can do.

So, after this long post, a sentence or two summary- Spying on her will make your life more difficult as you try to keep tabs on her 24/7, and she will also refuse to trust you even more, and if she is indeed like my friends, she will continue her actions, even if it is bad for her, just to piss you off and prove to you that she can.

ON EDIT: Should you want to inform yourself a little more (or perhaps take a look back and reminisce if you are already well versed in drug use), http://www.erowid.org is a great place to learn more about drugs, their history, and their usage.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:24 AM
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4. You have to do whatever it takes
to keep your kids safe, even
on the internet.
:)
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:07 PM
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9. We have only been taking a closer look at this myspace thing for a few days.
And it is an eyeopener.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:31 AM
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5. Fascist.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:08 PM
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10. Nice responce Stalin.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:11 PM
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20. Happy snooping Alberto.
:P
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:12 PM
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11. Which keylogger program
I need to keep tabs on my son who's a mad hacker like me, just less inhibited. Hence I need something he's not going to find. No he's not an admin on that computer, I'm not THAT stupid.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:16 PM
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13. With the KGB keylogger it does not show in the programs file
and runs in stealth mode. If he is really savy he might notice a increase in cpu resource use.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:16 PM
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12. Nah, that's just being a good parent.
:thumbsup:
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:20 PM
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15. Thanks Shakespeare
This really goes against my basic values, but there are other considerations. This situation reminds me of some debates I had many years ago in a philosophy class.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:18 PM
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14. Club Penguin!!! BabyMidlo loves that damn site.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:24 PM
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17. Yeah, I thought it was pretty cute.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 03:30 PM by puerco-bellies
The girl is pretty innocent still. Mostly Highschool Musical, and animal shows. She will be a teenager next year. :scared:

Edited because I don't self edit.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:23 PM
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16. my psycho ex-gf thought she was smart. using my computer to fuck around on me
she wasn't smart enuff to know i had put key-logger. she suddenly had no secrets fom me anymore.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:27 PM
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18. I agree with the concept!
Had I known about such a program when "babyLaylah" was 13, maybe she wouldn't have pissed someone off and had her freaking name and OUR HOME PHONE NUMBER published on a porn site! Some jackass kept calling...collect. Others called but not collect :rofl: Anyway, I would have had no problem tracking that brat's (she is one amazing 23 yr. old now, btw) butt all over the internets!
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