L O S T

[question everything]

I guess I'll start the thread.

Perhaps spoiler so DON'T READ.

We chose to watch LOST and I will watch the debate in two hours, when CNN will rerun it.



I think that it was Hurley's funeral from last season since the events on this episode obviously took place earlier. On the other hand, he did say The Oceanic Six.

[Fleshdancer]

1. I disagree (spoilers included)

People liked Hurley and there would have been friends and family at his funeral. Plus I don't think Kate would have responded negatively to the idea of going to his funeral.

I think it was Ben in the casket.

Tonight was a great episode. I want to know what Hurley meant in the gym. I also want to know why he was able to see Jacob right away when Locke couldn't.

[graywarrior]

2. The casket dweller may be someone we haven't been introduced to yet

Or it may be someone we all love and adore right now.

Great show tonight. God I love the writers.

[RadiationTherapy]

19. I agree about Ben. He kept secrets from everyone, "killed" his

mother and murdered his father and last night Danielle reminds us that Alex is not his daughter. I think it is Ben.

[MotorCityMan]

25. My guess is Michael is the casket

He killed Anna Lucia and Libby, gave up Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer to the others. He wouldn't get a huge turnout.

[question everything]

49. Interesting that the actor playing Michael

Harold Perrineau, appeared in the credits.

[deucemagnet]

3. My head is spinning.

Why did Naomi lie? Why is Hurley sorry he went with Locke? How did Hurley end up at Jacob's cabin?

[graywarrior]

4. You can't figure it out. This show changes course 360 degrees every episode

[redqueen]

43. About Jacob's cabin...

it's magical... did you see how it changed places as Hurley moved around, then disappeared when he insisted it wasn't there?

[lost-in-nj]

53. Naomi lied

to the men on the ship for one of what I think
could be 2 reasons

first
She believed Kate and knew all of them were not out to kill her

or second
Naomi knows the ship people are bad and have come to get the losties
so she had to prove to Kate she believed her and lied so the ship people would come


lost

don't know why Hurley is sorry for going with locke yet

and he found the cabin because he slowed down thinking of Charlie
and got disoriented and got separated from the group....

lost

[RoadRage]

5. Just finished watching.. more confused then ever..

We watched the debate and DVR'd LOST, so we just finished watching it. God my head hurts. OK.. so the scenes with Hurley in the car, psycho ward, etc... were obviously before Jack goes nuts, because he throws out the line about "Maybe i'll grow a beard", and last season he had a beard. So this is a prequel to that.

But, who are the 6 off the island? Jack, Kate, Hurley.. who are the other 3? Why only 6? WTF?

Ehh.. i'll just watch the whole season, and still not know. Ohh.. and whats up with people appearing to Hurley.. is he really nuts? Sheesh!!!

[graywarrior]

6. Who is Kate living with when she meets Jack at the airport?

Does Sawyer stay on the island with Locke? Who else stays, Claire? The baby has something to do with it. Where is the boy and his dad?

[RoadRage]

7. I don't know!!

I'm confused how Jack & Hurley went to different areas of the island (Jack & Kate go to the beach, Hurley goes with Locke) and yet the both end up off the island. Do they rescue certain people from different parts of the Island? How does that work.

I have no idea who Kate is living with.. but you'd think perhaps Sawyer.. you know he has to still be in the story.

[graywarrior]

8. Since the writers throw curveballs consistently, I imagine there will be

several episodes of complete changes and mindblowing surprises that throw us off track.

[deucemagnet]

10. I heard a bit on NPR today...

...they said that they are planning 3 more seasons -- no more. This way the writers don't have to maintain open-ended story lines, and they can bring the series to a satisfying conclusion. Now, if we can only end the WGA strike...

[soleft]

13. They decided that last year

3 years of 16 episode seasons to bring the story to a close. Since they only got to film 8 so far, they may have to make one of the other two longer, or both. But at least we know these 8 episodes are actually building to a conclusion. I kind of feel bad for the actor who plays Hurley. What if he wanted to lose weight? He can't.

[RoadRage]

51. Yeah.. my husband commented on his weight last night..

He said.. maybe after they kill Hurley off, he should go on the biggest loser - celebrity edition.. i think he'd win! My husband doesn't always have much tact...

[newmajority]

47. Doesn't seem logical that Kate would be living with anyone other than Jack or Sawyer

And it obviously isn't Jack. Since Jack visited Hurley in the nuthouse and we can assume they left the island at the same time, yet we also know that Hurley and Sawyer went with Locke, then it only makes sense that the split into two camps won't be a permanent one, or at least there will be some people going from Locke's group back to Jack's.

As for the stiff in the coffin, I'm thinking it's Locke. I doubt Ben would ever leave the island alive.

[lost-in-nj]

56. There is some speculation SPOILER!!!!

that the "he" waiting for Kate is Aaron..

the baby...
and Michael is the one in the casket



lost

[LostinVA]

61. I'd put a spoiler tag in your header

[question everything]

12. Why did Kate lift the satellite phone and took a different

path to find Naomi?

Who was the black guy who came to visit Hurley in the hospital?

[lost-in-nj]

52. Kate took the phone

because she knew Jack was following the wrong path... and she wanted the
phone when she found Naomi to call the boat


I just watched it again this morning on ABC.com



lost

[LostinVA]

62. The black guy

In Hebrew, his name is another word for "Hell," and is also the name of the Demon of Locusts, who will be loosed upon the Earth at the sound of teh Fifth Trumpet (as per the NT Book of Revealtion).

I think he works for Hanso/Widmore/etal.

[LibraLiz1973]

80. Did you notice that when the black guy left the room, as he went through the door

he was black smoke?

[question everything]

95. No, really?

I will have to watch it on the ABC.com site.

[LibraLiz1973]

102. Really really. I went back and watched it again and paused it at

the critical moment. He leaves as black smoke.

[Kajsa]

108. As in the black smoke we saw

on the island?

One and the same?

Hmm-----

[Yavin4]

97. The Black Guy Is Lt. Daniels from "The Wire"

I shrieked when I saw him. It was like two of my all time favorite shows crossing paths. i was so excited. Then I realized that I need to get a life.

[MotorCityMan]

26. And what was up with Kate this episode?

I thought Ben was yanking Jack's chain about Kate taking the phone from him, but she did.

[LostinVA]

30. I know -- PM for an answer

[underpants]

14. We now know of two points that we had already passed in last year's season ender

We know thatJack becomes a suicidal drunk but we don't know how WE get to there from the point of Hurley being in the hospital

We know now that only 6 leave the island but it seems that the rest either stay back at the island or they all die. Hurley asks about "telling" and Jack and Hurley talk about going back BUT Jack tells Kate that he wants to go back.

:shrug:

[graywarrior]

16. I swear to god I look for clues in every scene.

I look so much I miss the story sometimes

[Fleshdancer]

35. you're an Easter Egg addict too?

I love how the show includes little clues like that for us die hard fans. I wish I was better at finding them though.

[graywarrior]

69. Yep, I am. I think I know more than anyone til I cruise a LOST site

[RadiationTherapy]

21. Whatever it is that wants them to go back to the island is an

"irresistible force" of sorts. I bet we'll see Kate break down a few times in flash forwards as well.

This show is all about the island.

Will the island or Jacob gain (regain) human form through Claire's baby??

[question everything]

50. I hope that at least Sun left

and survived her pregnancy.

[redqueen]

44. OK... about Jack as a drunk... wasn't he telling some doc at the hospital to

call his dad? And that he'd quit if he was drunker than his dad?

Didn't his dad die before season 1?

:wtf:

[Midlodemocrat]

55. I think that was because he is so high on the Oxy or the Vicodin.

He was a mess in that scene.

[redqueen]

57. That'd make sense...

I was completely thrown off by it... confused about the timeline, I mean.

And he still had his dad's prescription pads, too? Didn't he try to get some drugs with his dad's prescription pad? Told the pharmacist it was his dad and she should call him? Or maybe it was his... yeah, nevermind...

[Midlodemocrat]

59. It appeared that he had used his dad's pad, at least to me, and

when the pharmacist challenged him, he left in a huff.

[redqueen]

60. Yup... and his dad has only been dead for a few months...

so I suppose it's not so unrealistic that he might still have some prescription pads.

[LibraLiz1973]

81. His dad was the one in the chair last night in Jacobs cabin

He got a guest appearance credit and everything....


(curiouser and curiouser)

[Yavin4]

9. How Many of You Jumped When Hurley Looked Into That House?

I screamed like a little girl.

[graywarrior]

15. Same here.

Pissed myself.

[LostinVA]

31. I SCREAMED

It annoyed Haruka, the dog, and cat.

[Duer 157099]

11. Hahahahahahah, that'll teach me to miss a season and try to just step back in!

As if! As if it were even possible!!

Talk about L O S T .........

Is Hurley at Camarillo State Hospital? I swear that's where he is.

[Nevernose]

75. Season 3 was on sale at Best Buy

At least it was a few weeks ago.

[akwapez]

17. in the casket?

I think the funeral at the end of last season was for Michael. This took place in an African-American neighborhood. We know the deceased was from New York as was Michael. And we know that neither Kate nor Jack was fond of the person in the casket. That would be the case for Michael who shot AL and Libby and took the group to be captured by the Others.
My working theory on who Kate had to get back to is Aaron (Claire's baby), but I need to rewatch exactly what Kate said about going back to "him".
Only 7 episodes left this season to find out. Oh well.

[RadiationTherapy]

22. So, even if the strike resolves; this season is foreshortened??

[akwapez]

24. i think so

At this point, I can't see them being able to write AND produce 8 more episodes even if the strike ended today. But there has been no official comments on this yet that I have seen.

[Fleshdancer]

29. but why wouldn't Michael's son and other family come to the funeral?

It has to be someone who has absolutely no friends or family. It would also be someone not considered part of the "Oceanic Six" because their celebrity status would mean someone would be at the funeral I think. If it isn't Ben, maybe it's one of the other "others". Hell, maybe it's Jacob. Either way, it looks like Jack was right. Live together or die alone.

This season got off to the right start. I hope all the episodes are as good this one was.

[Kashka-Kat]

18. Three more years ??? Does that include this year??? I cant take it!!!!

Start wrapping it up guys!!!! It almost seems like theyre intentionally prolonging it VS. sticking to a nice, tight, concise, expertly crafted story line.

[ghostsofgiants]

20. They were intentionally prolonging it for a while, but they will be wraping it up,

And I for one LOVE having 500 questions opened up for every answer we get. It's what keeps me coming back for more.

[Rob H.]

23. I wonder if "The Oceanic Six" made some sort of deal

with their "rescuers," namely that if they go, everyone else stays on the island but gets to live rather than being killed. Remember that Ben said whoever was coming was going to kill everyone, and in Hurley's vision of Charlie, Charlie tells him, "They need you," and they cut to Hurley hugging Claire and Aaron on the island. (Charlie also had "THEY NEED YOU" written on his hand when he swam up to the mirror in the police station.)

If everyone else were dead, why would they have to go back?


Edited to add: There's a two-minute teaser clip on ABC's website of Locke's group finding one of their "rescuers" next week, if anyone's interested.

[RadiationTherapy]

45. Also, why does the Oceanic rep try to bribe Hurley with a transfer

to a high end institution?? Because they are IN ON IT! Oceanic FEEDS the Island! Or maybe they are Dharma reborn and are trying to "reclaim" the island.

[Sock Puppet]

48. He's not an Oceanic rep

When Hurley gets suspicious and asks for the guy's card, the guy looks all nervous and says he forgot it. He's from some other group - the "rescuers" maybe? Widmore? Ben? Hmmmm.

[Rob H.]

54. I was reading about that character, Matthew Abbadon

on some LOST fan sites and his name is an anagram for "What bad boat men?" and his last name has religious connotations, too. Per the Wikipedia entry for Abbadon:

Abaddon (Hebrew אבדון Avaddon, meaning "destruction"). In Biblical poetry (Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11), it comes to mean "place of destruction", or the realm of the dead, and is associated with Sheol. Abaddon is also one of the compartments of Gehenna. By extension, it can mean an underworld abode of lost souls, or hell.

In Revelation 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, "Angel of the Abyss", rendered in Greek as Apollyon; and he is described as king of the locusts which rose at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. In like manner, in Rev. vi. 8, Hades is personified following after death to conquer the fourth part of the earth.

Abaddon is one of the infernal names used in LaVeyan Satanism, and is first in the list—only as it comes first alphabetically—and means "the destroyer."

[RadiationTherapy]

114. I hope he becomes a regular. He has an intense look

...like a young Scatman Crothers.

[LostinVA]

64. Read my post up thread about him

[RadiationTherapy]

70. Shit! You're right! Amazing television really. I wonder if it would translate to a book? nt

[LostinVA]

63. I wonder if there will be a lottery to get off?

Or, only those who have reached a certain point can go...?

[Bake]

27. It's BAAAAAAACK, Baybeeeeeeeee!!

After watching previous seasons on DVD to get caught up, the thing that really bugs me, that I just can't stand, is only being able to watch one episode PER WEEK!!!

AND COMMERCIALS!!! Damn. I didn't realize they had so many.

Bake

[devilgrrl]

40. I caught up on DVD too, I'm sorry that I didn't wait to get into the show until after it was over.

Now I have sit around 'til next week like everyone else. :mad:

[soleft]

28. How is it Kate is able to come back and not be arrrested?

I have no spoiler intel here, but for some reason I think the person she is with is either Ben or someone else with the power to keep her identity safe from authorities. Plus, wasn't she driving an expensive car when she met Jack? I don't think Sawyer would have money.

Also, something about the way she said, "He'll wonder where I am" I don't see Sawyer being that controlling.

[LostinVA]

32. SPOILER INFO -- DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS

She is.

And, I know who the he is!!!!!

[Midlodemocrat]

33. Ooh, ooh, PM me.

And how do you know.

[LostinVA]

39. Check PM

[Fleshdancer]

36. is this from the links you sent me the other day?

because if you have new sources, I'll need to know. :D

[LostinVA]

38. Same source, but they've updated!!!!

[redqueen]

46. Does that source talk about "Jakers" and "Skaters"?

I saw those in the pop-up thingy the day before...

:rofl:

[soleft]

41. response to spoiler info post - don't read if you don't want spoilers

She is - what?

[LostinVA]

65. She is (SPOILERS)

Arrested and stands trial. But, gets off because of her Mom, Jack, and "him."


And probably some pull from Hanso, Widmore, et al.

[soleft]

68. So there's a....(spoilers referenced)

Shit load of time that they're back in the world before they - if they do - go back to the island.

[Yavin4]

100. Or She Didn't Kill Her StepFather

Therefore no crime was committed. Much like Jack's father is still alive as well.

[lost-in-nj]

58. she is what??

:shrug:

I was looking for the invisotext!!!


:rofl: :rofl:

lost

pm me to!!!! please
kthnxbi

[The2ndWheel]

34. For some reason, Hurley is sorry for going with Locke

Even though both Jack and Hurley get off the island after they're in different groups, even though both eventually end up feeling they need to go back to the island and never should have left, even though Locke is the one who said they shouldn't leave the island.

Yeah, it's a good show.

And the way that guy at the institution looked at Hurley after he asked Hurley if they were still alive...that look alone made the show worth it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. That's what stumped me. Two different groups resulted in rescued people...

and presumably non-rescued. This could get very very interesting.

[harun]

42. I think for Hurley to make that statement to Jack so quickly after

he visits him means they will probably be getting off the island fairly soon.

Great having the show back on though. I really enjoy it. I like every episode much better after I watch it the second time. I miss a lot the first time I watch them.

[question everything]

66. Really? I think exactly the opposite

that there will be more twists and events and crossing of paths between the two groups. Remember, there are six of them who left. So in addition to Jack and Kate from one group, there should be three more from Locke group.

[Midlodemocrat]

67. Or they could be from Jack and kate's group.

LostinVA showed me this great spoiler sits. www.lostpedia.com

DO NOT go there if you don't want spoilers. It was interesting reading that's for sure.

[question everything]

96. An interesting site

I read the synopsis and sure would like to watch it again but... did not find any spoilers..

[RadiationTherapy]

71. "Are they still alive?" is what the "lawyer for Oceanic" says

after Hurley asks for a card. Hurley promptly freaks out...


thoughts?

[graywarrior]

72. That threw me.

And why Charlie with the new hairdo?

[RadiationTherapy]

73. Don't know; why did the other "crazy" guy at the inst. warn Hurley:

"I'd watch out if I were you. There's a guy over there. He's staring at you."

Unless there is someone behind Charlie's ghost who happens to be staring at Hurley; that guy sees Charlie.

[graywarrior]

74. The guy was different from the guy Hurley saw on the island

and whom he imagined in the psych ward, right?

[Nevernose]

83. That's a pretty common theme in literature, especially in the 19th century

Kids and dogs and crazy people are more "in tune" with the supernatural in stories back then, and even today.

Of course, I adhere to the theory that the Island is purgatory and they're all dead, and the Island is how they determine whether they go to heaven or hell. The post-modernist spin on it is that the good guys (Ben, etc.) act bad, while the bad guys (rescuers) seem good.

[Nevernose]

77. A way to say goodbye?

Charlie was for me and so many others my favorite character -- someone I could identify with. Okay, maybe not the heroin, but he semed like a real guy. Not a famous doctor or the world's greatest conman or a super-criminal, and not breathtakingly beautiful, either (Jack, Kate, Sawyer). I feel the same way about Hurley, and I was pissed when they killed Charlie.

So when Charlie died last season (I assumed because he was offered more movie roles, like LotR or Master and Commander), it hit me hard. His reappearance allows some resolution. Either that, or it's another mindfuck -- which would be even sweeter.

[graywarrior]

82. Well in real life, Charlie and Kate are a number

But I am glad they brought him back because he grew on me and the final scene with him making the sign of the cross before he drowned really got to me.

[Nevernose]

87. I did not know that

And when he came back I was genuinely surprised.

[graywarrior]

91. I was happy to see him.

[soleft]

106. I think they broke up

[Kajsa]

76. This plot(s) is not for plot wimps!

Gawd! Six, seven things going on in two completely different
time frames, or is is three?

OK- I got Jacob, got Naomi is an "evildoer",Naomi's friends
are up to no good, but what's with this
futuristic " gotta get back to the island" " we made a mistake"
stuff?

Wha?---:shrug:

[graywarrior]

79. Didn't you watch the captions show on Wed night?

Fast Forward, dude. They're taking us fast forward and then backwards constantly and giving clues in anagrams on store signs and tv shows and news clippings.

[Kajsa]

85. I did, Gray!

In fact I watched Wed. AND last night.

Now Charlie's ghost is telling Hurley the same thing- BIG MISTAKE.

Gawd almighty!- Where is Carlton Cuse going with this?

I'm confused damnit!
Or-- are we suppose to be confused?

[graywarrior]

89. We're supposed to be addicted....and we is!

[Kajsa]

90. Yes we is, Gray!

True dat!

:rofl:

[graywarrior]

92. Some day, we might mature.....

...but I doubt it.
:rofl:

[Kajsa]

93. I hear ya!

:rofl:

[newmajority]

94. But is Charlie a ghost? (and if not, what is he?)

We all saw Charlie drown, so it's logical to assume he's dead. But a ghost can't punch you in the face, when you ask him to prove that he's real.

[graywarrior]

103. We think we saw Charlie drown

But he did tell Hurley he was dead...

[Kajsa]

105. Excellent point, Newmajority!

Here we go, again.

Another mystery among the 10,000 others
to solve.

For those of us who hated to see Charlie go, we like it!

:D

[MorningGlow]

107. A random idea (warning: reeeeaalllyyy out-there idea)

Hurley, who is quite buddha-like (referring to his mood, not his size) seems to live a bit outside physical reality and more in the quantum universe. Like the Native American shamans who have one foot in this reality and one foot in the Otherworld of infinite possibility--witness his incredible luck, even when playing basketball, and his ability to see Jacob and the shack on the island. If that's the case, and can experience other potential realities that exist alongside the "one" reality we're observing, then the reality in which Charlie is not dead is just as real and concrete to him as the reality where Charlie died.

Ouch. Quantum physics makes my brain hurt.

[RadiationTherapy]

78. Jack's team and Locke's team

Jack gets: Kate, Rose and Bernard, Desmond, Juliette, Sayid, Jin and Sun




Locke gets: Hurley, Sawyer(survivin'), Claire and Aron, Ben, Alex and Carl

For NOW.


Didn't see where Danielle went, though.

[graywarrior]

84. Desmond.

Where in hell does he fit in and what's with the girlfriend?

[RadiationTherapy]

86. A while ago I heard some evidence that Widmore Construction

built the DHARMA stations... I may be misrembering though../Penny Widmore is the owner's daughter.

[graywarrior]

88. Oh yeah!

Christ, I need a workbook to keep up with this stuff.

[RadiationTherapy]

110. Ha! I saw the name Hanso upthread and thought a similar thought.

remember Alvar Hanso; Granddaddy of DHARMA?? Thank maude that there are people obsessed with the show and websites galore.

[MorningGlow]

109. So does that mean...

that Locke and his group are the new Others? :shrug:

[Yavin4]

98. How Does Kate Go Home Back Without Being Arrested and Put In Jail?

Recall, she on the plane as a fugitive from the law. In addition, why was she in Austrailia again?

[Fleshdancer]

99. If you want to know, check out post #65 upthread. n/t

[Yavin4]

101. My Guess Is That Kate's Crime Never Happened

Much like Jack's dad is not dead. Or, like Hurley never won the lottery.

[graywarrior]

104. Well, that's an interesting way to look at it.

[RadiationTherapy]

111. Who are the Oceanic 6??

Jack, Hurley and Kate so far, BUT Desmond's vision was of Claire and Aron getting on a helicopter. So that is 2 more (or one if they don't count the child) if they made it.

Who else do you think is part of the O-6??

[question everything]

112. How about Michael and his son?

Sure they left earlier but they should be considered part of the survivors.

And Ben?

I still hope for Sun, to survive her pregnancy.

[RadiationTherapy]

113. I just am not sure. It seems

the O-6 have attained some sort of fame/status. This leads me to believe that only 6 made it back. Desmond "saw" Claire and Aron get on the copter, but that is no guarantee they made it. I just do not know what to think of Michael and Walt, but I think Walt, like Locke, is too connected to the island to leave it.

It is ALL about the Island. g.