I swear, if I see "strawman argument" or "paint with a broadbrush"

[Ishoutandscream2]

in threads at DU, I'm gonna throw my work monitor (hee, hee) against the fuckin' wall. They drive me absolutely, bat shit crazy!!!:crazy: :silly: :nuke:

[DS1]

1. strawbush bragument

:P

[Ishoutandscream2]

2. Khan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nuke:

[CreekDog]

3. I agree

although it could be strawman painting. :shrug:

[LeftyMom]

4. We need a DU teach-in about logical fallacies,

seems like most of the posters here only know of those two. Though they indulge in plenty of others.

[flvegan]

5. Nice strawman argument.

[Ishoutandscream2]

6. Painting with a broadbrush again, flvegan

:nuke: :nuke:

[flvegan]

7. No, you're moving the goalposts.

That's the one I hate.

[Ishoutandscream2]

8. No kidding, that's one I have forgotten, and I'm sure there's more

Let's nuke that one as well.:nuke:

[LeftyMom]

9. StrawPERSON, you sexist asshole.

That was ad hominem. Please take notes everybody, there will be a test.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. You argue like a GIRL

That was sexist. We'll have a whole course on that one...

[LanternWaste]

12. In the end though, it was a blessing in disguise

My fist year of college, I signed up for a philosophy course thinking I was going to learn about all the world's philosophies. Instead, it turned out to be a course entitled Logic (I know, I should have looked at the catalog a bit more closely...).

In the end though, it was a blessing in disguise. The course was divided into two sections-- diagramming sentences and statements (a a digram of logic, not one of grammar), and the second section being devoted to logical fallacies. It turned into one of the most informative classes I've ever taken.

To this day, my friends can get a bit annoyed with me (well, my FReeper friends only-- as they're the ones I always spring it on) when I counter with "I'm afraid statement X was a Logical Fallacy. It's the Fallacy of Z, here's why it's a fallacy, and here's the logical proofs."

That course book (and a few of my history books) are the only texts I've kept from my (wild and heady) college days.

:hi:

[LeftyMom]

13. I learned them in Arguementation and Debate.

Fun class, that. :)

[Oeditpus Rex]

17. Here's a short primer

From "The Album of the Soundtrack of the Trailer of the Film 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail'":



Good evening. The last scene was interesting from the point of view of a professional logician because it contained a number of logical fallacies — that is, invalid propositional constructions and syllogistic forms of the type so often committed by my wife.

"All wood burns," states Sir Bedevere. "Therefore," he concludes, "all that burns is wood." This is, of course, pure bullshit. Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted: all of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan.

"Oh, yes," one would think. However, my wife does not understand this necessary limitation of the conversion of a proposition; consequently, she does not understand me, for how can a woman expect to appreciate a professor of logic if the simplest cloth-eared syllogism causes her to flounder?

For example, given the premise, "All fish live underwater" and "All mackerel are fish," my wife will conclude not that all mackerel live underwater, but that if she buys kippers it will not rain, or that trout live in trees, or even that I do not love her any more. This she calls "Using her intuition." I call it crap, and it gets me very irritated because it is not logical.

"There will be no supper tonight," she will sometimes cry upon my return home. "Why not?" I will ask. "Because I have been screwing the milkman all day," she will say, quite oblivious of the howling error she has made. "But," I will wearily point out, "even given that the activities of screwing the milkman and getting supper are mutually exclusive, now that the screwing is over, surely then, supper may now, logically, be got."

"You don't love me any more," she will now often postulate. "If you did, you would give me one now and again, so that I would not have to rely on that rancid Pakistani for my orgasms."

"I will give you one, after you have got me my supper," I now usually scream, "but not before" — as you understand, making her bang contingent on the arrival of my supper.

"God, you turn me on when you're angry, you ancient brute!" she now mysteriously deduces, forcing her sweetly throbbing tongue down my throat.

"Fuck supper!" I now invariably conclude, throwing logic somewhat joyously to the four winds, and so we thrash about on our milk-stained floor, transported by animal passion until we sink back, exhausted, onto the cartons of yogurt.

I'm afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell: sex is more fun than logic. One cannot prove this, but it is, in the same sense that Mount Everest is, or that Alma Cogan isn't.

Goodnight.

[stuntcat]

10. I vomit on people who say "strawman argument"

:puke: unless of course they're pointing out the uselessness of saying it every chance you get, LIKE THIS- "strawman argument, strawman argument, blah blah, argue argue, etc"

[madinmaryland]

14. Some people are saying this might be a strawman argument that you

are posing here.

:hide:

[Ishoutandscream2]

20. Ahhhhhhh!!! Nuke, nuke

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[hisownpetard]

15. The only time it's acceptable to use "strawman argument" is if you're watching "The Wizard of Oz."

[flvegan]

16. So future accusations of a strawman are simply brainless posts?

I like it.

[radfringe]

18. you knew this was coming....

[Ano Genitus]

19. Take heart:

A Man of Steel is Quick of Heart and Hand
A Man of Steel is Loved Throught the Land.
His Hands Are Quick and Will Not Let You Go
His Burning Lovelock Will Clasp You Head to Toe

A Man of Steel Will Never Let You Go
His Quick, Quick Hands Will Hold On To Friend And Foe
There Is No Way You Can Squirm Out From His Grasp
Those Hands Are Made Of Steel And They Are Very Fast

[Beausoleil]

21. I try to avoid cliches

like the plague.

:hi:

[Dr. Strange]

22. You are not a true Scotsman.

So why debate?