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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:04 AM
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MASH (1970) is starting on FMC
Trivia from IMDB:

* The opening title sequence has a text that identifies the place as Korea. This was added at the insistence of the studio after director Robert Altman had removed every reference to Korea, intending it to be mistaken for Vietnam, which would reinforce the anti-war statement.

* G. Wood (General Hammond) played the same character in the movie and first three episodes of the TV series ("M*A*S*H" (1972).)

* The 14-year-old son of Robert Altman, Mike Altman, wrote the lyrics to the theme song (and reportedly made more money from the movie than his father did as a result).

* This and Catch-22 (1970), two films satirizing recent American wars, were released in the same year. "Catch-22," based on a best-selling novel, featuring a huge cast, and boasting director Mike Nichols fresh from his success with The Graduate (1967), was expected to be the more successful film. When the reverse proved true, Robert Altman hung a banner in his office reading, "Caught-22."

* Although set on the front lines of the Korean War, the only gunshots heard throughout the movie are from the referee's pistol during the inter-camp football game.

* This film was among the first to be released on home video. In 1977 20th Century Fox licensed 50 of its titles to a fledgling video duplication company called Magnetic Video Corp. Fox purchased the company in 1978, laying the groundwork for its current successful video operation.

* Robert Altman cast so many unknowns that after the few known actors (Tom Skerritt, Elliott Gould, etc.), the opening credits are entirely "Introducing...".

* Robert Altman says that during filming, Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland together went to the studio and complained that Altman was filming too much of the secondary characters. They requested that he be removed from the film, but the studio refused. After the film was completed and received its accolades, only Gould confessed the matter to Altman. As a result, he received parts in other Altman pictures, whereas the director never again used Sutherland.

* Speaking about the troubles he had with the studio, Robert Altman now says, "This film wasn't released - it escaped."

* Burt Reynolds turned down the role of Trapper John.

* Robert Altman originally wanted Elliott Gould to play Duke Forrest. It was only at Gould's request that he got the role of Trapper John.

* In the opening titles when a soldier is dropped on a stretcher and hits the ground it wasn't scripted It was actually an accident by the actor who tripped over something.

* Writer Ring Lardner Jr. was the only Academy Award winner out of the movie's five nominations. Lardner practically disowned the movie when he saw that very little of his original script made it into the final cut.

* The first take of the shot where Hot Lips is revealed in the shower didn't work because Sally Kellerman anticipated the reveal and was already lying on the floor when the tent flap went up. To distract her, Robert Altman and Gary Burghoff entered the shower tent and dropped their trousers while the shot was rolling outside. While Kellerman was staring at them, the tent flap was raised, resulting in her genuine surprise and shock when she realized what had happened. In the special double disc dvd they say that Radar is standing naked beside the camera and that that's the reason why Sally Kellerman looks so surprised when she the flap was raised

* In 2007, the American Film Institute ranked this as the #54 Greatest Movie of All Time.

* The accounting department claimed shooting was 4 days behind schedule on only the second day.

* Tom Skerritt recalled that the dialogue was about 80% improvised. In order to create a different kind of atmosphere, Altman cast some of the parts from improvizational clubs who had no previous movie experience.

* Robert Altman didn't want Sally Kellerman initially because "she was too attractive" and he wanted unattractive actors.

* This was John Schuck's film debut, and he was cast as Capt. Walter Kosciusko 'Painless Pole' Waldowski, the MASH dentist, because of his very pronounced under bite.

* Reportedly the first major studio release to use the word "fuck" in its dialogue.

* The operating scenes were almost cut out due to their graphic nature. However, two women who were visiting the set told the producers that the operating scenes were what made the movie, and should be kept in.

* Robert Altman was originally promised five "points" (a percentage) of the film's profits. After a disagreement between Altman and one of the Fox executives, the offer of points was taken back before production began. When the film became a big hit, Altman's agent asked for the points back; the studio was considering it when Altman was quoted in the press saying how much he hated working for Fox. He was never given the points back.

* All of the characters, based on the characters from Richard Hooker's novel, are composites of people Hooker knew, met casually, worked with, or heard about. In Hooker's novel, Frank Burns was only a Captain.

* The loudspeaker shots and announcements were added after the editing process had begun and the filmmakers realized that they needed more transitions. Some of the loudspeaker shots have the Moon visible and were shot while the Apollo 11 astronauts were on the Moon.

* The scene where Father Mulcahy is blessing the jeep was improvised. Actor Rene Auberjonois found the blessing in a copy of the Army Chaplain's Handbook, and thought it would be a good addition to both the story and to his character. The director agreed, and the scene was shot in one take.

* The story goes that Robert Altman was editing the movie with his editor, Danford B. Greene; they had nude pinups on the walls of the editing room. The head of postproduction came by and tried to stop Altman from using the editing machine, as he wasn't a designated editor, and Altman threw him out of the editing room. The next day a memo came down from the Fox front office, stating a new policy that there were to be no pinups on the walls of editing rooms. Altman took the memo to the sound recording studio and added it as one of the loudspeaker announcements during the film.

* This was not the first Korean War-based movie to carry the title "MASH." In 1953, Humphrey Bogart starred in a film also about a MASH unit by the same title. But the studio thought the title might make audiences think it was about potatoes, so the title was changed to Battle Circus (1953).

* Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland kept calling each other "Shirley" on the set. Gould did it in one shot, cracking Sutherland up, and Altman decided to keep it in the film.

* Robert Altman felt that he was able to get away with so much during shooting because the officials at 20th Century Fox were keeping a closer watch on their two massively expensive projects, also war films, Patton (1970) and Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970).

* The beer the surgeons are drinking throughout the movie is Pabst Blue Ribbon.

* M.A.S.H. stands for Mobile Army Surgical Hospital. They remained in US Army service until 2006 when the last one was donated to Pakistan.

* When studio execs first saw the dailies, they complained to Robert Altman that the soldiers looked dirty compared to the soldiers in Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) and Patton (1970). Altman replied that soldiers in war are dirty. The next day the execs told the producers of those two films to make their soldiers look dirtier.

* The initial scene of the suicide of "Painless" is a mimic of "The Last Supper" by Leonardo Da Vinci.

* With its initial box-office take of $41 million, "M*A*S*H" at the time was the second biggest grossing comedy, coming in just below The Graduate (1967).

* When Donald Sutherland's parents went to see the film, his father stood up and said "Hi, Donny!" after the scene where Hawkeye says "Hi, Dad" to the camerawoman in the Jeep.

* Rene Auberjonois and John Schuck later worked together again on Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991).

* Premiere voted this movie as one of "The 50 Greatest Comedies Of All Time" in 2006.

* When Hawkeye arrives at the first camp, we hear the PA call several men to the departure area. Of these men one of them is named "Robert A", a homage to the film's director Robert Altman.

* The studio sent Robert Altman a memo in post-production that he found condescending and in retaliation he recorded the memo and played out over the movie on one of the loudspeakers.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:06 PM
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1. I cannot believe I have never seen the movie. The TV show has to be
one of my all time favourites.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:35 PM
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2. The movie blows it away
Less melodrama. It is very different from the show.

Of course, there are fans of the show that despise the movie. I think it's excellent. A real groundbreaker.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:41 PM
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3. Yeah, I saw the show first and the movie later
and I wasn't all that impressed with the movie.

Although that might partly be because I got a really low-quality copy and I could barely hear a word anyone said... :\
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:50 PM
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5. IMHO, the movie didn't age well at all
I found it to be overly sexist - there's some good gags but on the whole, I thought it was dated and silly.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:13 PM
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6. Mind bogglingly sexist.
:puke:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 06:52 PM
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8. The dialogue can be a bit confusing
But that's Robert Altman's style. One of his trademarks is having people talk over each other. I actually found it interesting, and much different than other movies of the period.

As for it being sexist, as a few other posters claim, this is a 1969 film about the early '50s. That's the way things were. Many old movies were pretty misogynistic, and I accept that they are really a time capsule of the era of their releases.

For those who are more familiar with the warmer, fuzzier show, the original movie may be a bit jarring. But I highly recommend it, though it may take a few viewings to really get it. Hey, how could you go wrong with the cast of Donald Sutherland, Elliot Gould, and the great Robert Duvall playing Frank Burns(!!!)?
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:59 PM
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9. It's also racist
Former NFL star, Fred Williamson's character was called 'Spearchucker' for pete's sake. And Duke (Tom Skerritt) called him 'negro' and didn't want to share their quarters with him.

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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:01 PM
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10. Uh...okay, you know that was Duke Forrest's character, right? A racist Southerner?
And Hawkeye castigated Forrest immediately afterward for even thinking of segregated quarters.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:09 PM
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12. I know
which is why I used his name. "Look, it's bad enough that I have to put up with you two Yankees."

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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:28 PM
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15. I just meant that it was the character, and not the movie, that was racist.
n/t
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:36 PM
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16. What was even more racist
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:52 PM by DarkTirade
was the fact that that character couldn't have existed... there weren't any black doctors in that war. They didn't realize their mistake until halfway through the first season of the TV series, hence why the character disappeared suddenly during the TV series.

It was reflective of the times. A racist nickname, having to deal with someone not used to desegregation. I think it was meant to poke at the american audience and say, "Hey, we still haven't solved this shit yet."
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:21 AM
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17. Yeah
That character even existed in Hooker's novel and he was there.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:09 PM
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11. I think they are both tremendous
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:46 PM
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4. "We are the Pros from Dover"
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 06:26 PM
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7. When it is NOT on FMC?
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 06:27 PM by edbermac
They must have a small film library because this plays 4 or 5 times a day about every two or three weeks. Edward Scissorhands and Cocoon run a lot too. Well at least they show letterboxed films correctly.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:10 PM
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13. Thanks for posting the trivia. What cool stuff!
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:18 PM
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14. You left out the most vital bit of trivia
To wit:

According to Capt. John Francis Xavier McIntyre, an "Oklahoma" in poker is a pair of eights, a ten of spades, a deuce and a five.



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