Anyone ever smoked salvia (divinorum)?

[Alexander]

What was it like?

[NightWatcher]

1. I read in a book once

that it is a quick, intense trip/hallucination that can be overwhelming to some at high concentrations. It is over after half an hour and then you just feel tired

[PunkinPi]

2. Never did anything for me...

tried it 2 or 3 times.

[Fuzz]

17. Same

[nomorenomore08]

3. Well, having smoked the concentrated extract several times...

Basically, you get blasted into a whole other dream-like reality. The way a friend of mine put it was, you lose this whole visual realm. There's no point of reference in "normal" reality, and so you lose any sense of time or space - some have reported that it was like experiencing the end of the universe. A typical trip will only last 5-10 minutes, but as I said, time has no real meaning when you're in that state.

[Richard Steele]

4. Yes. It's very overrated, and widely misunderstood.

Mild buzz, mildly "speedy", when ingested on its own.

It's not a mind-expanding hallucinogen,
it's an INGREDIENT for a potent ancient recipe, at best.

And it's only an "ingredient"in that mix if you know the recipe,
and you have the SPECIFIC variety of the SALVIA family
that grew in the right soil, in the right conditions, and was
harvested in EXACTLY the right week of the year.

On it's own, it does less than potent cannabis,
and MUCH less than the 'shrooms that come around
two weeks a year here in the States.

I recommend you don't waste your money on it.

[mike_c]

5. meh-- a brief buzz, kind of disorienting, not particularly pleasurable...

...but not uncomfortable either. I've smoked the concentrated extract on several occasions. There is a definite physical effect-- it's hard to describe so maybe you should simply try it yourself. Like I said, it's not overwhelming or bad or anything and it lasts only a minute or two in any event. Hell, I shared some with my daughter when she was in her early 20s and we both pretty much thought "OK, that was different." Not particularly attractive, just different. Here's the most telling comment I have: I finally threw away a vial of SD extract that sat in my desk drawer for more than a year, unused.

I had a plant for a couple of years, always meant to try the shamen's method of rolling a wad of leaves into my cheek but I never got around to it. The plant finally died.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. Once

very short, very visual. Fun for a couple minutes.

[yellowcanine]

7. I suspect Datura would be a way bigger kick. (Course it might kill you also).

Datura stramonium, Jimson Weed.

[nomorenomore08]

12. I heard about a guy who drank some datura tea, and wasn't right for months afterward.

Motor problems, cognitive effects, etc., although he eventually recovered.

[IntravenousDemilo]

8. I wonder what's supposed to happen if you eat it.

Nothing, I imagine. My mom used to grow salvia in her garden when I was a kid, and I liked to pluck the flowers off and squeeze the little drop of nectar into my mouth. Very sweet.

OTOH, maybe that explains a lot...

[Elidor]

9. It's the herbal equivalent of huffing gasoline

I didn't find it all that unpleasant, but neither was it pleasant. It's tiresome and annoying and not worth messing with, imo.

[chknltl]

10. Here is a bit from what I know...

I am NOT an aficionado of this item, my druggie experimental days are at least 30 years ago at this point so I'm relating this best I can from two separate descriptions, My step daughter and her boyfriend at the time.

Sue, (not her real name), and her boyfriend had researched this plant and it's properties fairly extensively. The were able to locate a rooted cutting and grew it into an impressively sized houseplant. They took some of the leaves and created something which they claimed was tops on the potency scale. (Apparently there is some sort of scale measured in "Xs" this was the top one and most potent).

To be continued: I just called the ex boyfriend, he is in class right now but texted me that he will call as soon as he gets out. I will post his story asap. because it is a pretty good one. NEITHER of these two have ANY interest in taking the trip again but their story is well worth the hearing. I can tell you that Sue's tale is most incredible, I'll send her a text too but she is a busy lass and rarely gets back to me in a timely manor. I can STRONGLY advise you to NOT try this stuff at full potency without a sober friend or two in attendance. Preferably you will spend a bit of time extensively researching it prior to using it.

[chknltl]

15. Finally, Ex-boyfriend's story

24hrs later, sorry, his fault not mine.

Sue and her boyfriend managed to make a VERY POTENT concentration of Salvia, (he claimed it was 50X) which they both smoked.

Sue went first, (the ex-boyfriend waited a day). She was seated on the couch but after smoking it she slid off onto the floor where she remained semi-conscious for 10 minutes. She remained a bit groggy for the next half hour and told this tale: (My words but close enough to what she told me), "The high was immediate, at first I melted through the couch and then I could see a long chain of lives, they were mine. I could examine in detail any of these lives and I was quite happy doing this. I spent hours examining many of these lives. Then from a far future life, I looked back along the chain and realized how far back my life as Sue was. I became profoundly sad because I knew that I would have to go way way back there to resume my life as "Sue". I was especially sad because I could see how many lives I had yet to live in order to get to the nice one I was visiting. I knew I would have to wait thousands of years before I could be here again. I did NOT want to come back but I felt myself drawn back here and eventually reunited with this life where I woke on the floor. I was quite sad being way back here near the beginning but as the effects faded that sadness faded too."

(btw: Both Sue and I firmly believe in re-incarnation, sue claims this 'trip' has confirmed for her that re-incarnation is real).

The boyfriend tried it the next day. His tale is quite a bit less than Sue's, again my words not his but a close description: "At first I could see but not hear Sue, she faded and then REALITY faded. There are no words PERIOD which can describe what I saw, the best I can tell you is that both space and time combined into something we can not understand much less put into words. It was sorta like an immediate peaking on an acid trip, but nothing like acid. I was out for a few minutes but it felt like hours...sorta"

Neither of these two have any desire to do that again, both are VERY familiar with current drugs but now just smoke pot when the mood strikes them. I have been told that if one wants, it is not hard to go online and find the recipes for creating the same potent salvia concentration that they used and that there are some online who sell the plant cuttings. I have been told that one can also chew the leaves, (they taste like crap), and keep them in your mouth like chew-tobacco for a MILD buzz which is NOTHING like the mind-bender one gets from the concentrate. I was given this warning: Don't try smoking the concentrate without having a friend to keep an eye on things.

[Roon]

11. It made me feel alien

and strange...

[devilgrrl]

13. Bleah - mike_c called it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7656097&mesg_id=7656199

I had a similar experience but didn't grow a plant... not planning on it either.

You're not missing anything.

[Schema Thing]

14. Obviously, it causes a variety of reactions in different people. No one would describe

my trip, or those of the friends who gave it to me, as "mild". Wild, yes.

I would say it was very interesting, but not particularly fun. Extreme hallucinogenic.

[otherlander]

16. It sounds like some people just smoked the plant

and other people did a concentrated form. Did you do the concentrated form?

[Schema Thing]

19. Yeah, but not sure what concentration it was?

10X sound plausible?

It's been a few years.

[otherlander]

22. How do they concentrate it?

Is it still in leaf form after they do, or is it turned into a powder or something?

[Shoedogg]

18. Here's a bit from something I wrote about my experience...

I wrote this a few years ago, just a couple days after trying it.

I bought a 40X concentrate of it, so it wasn't just the plain leaf I was smoking.

I had read that you had to smoke it in a pretty specific way for it to work. If I remember correctly, I think you were supposed to keep the flame on it even after it was burning as you inhaled because a higher temperature was required than with normal smoking materials for some reason. Multiple, consecutive "hits" were also suggested and the 30 seconds of holding the smoke in was extra-long, but also suggested.

Anyway, here's what I said then:

I drew one huge hit into my lungs and held my breath as I counted to 30. I then exhaled fully and pulled another large cloud of smoke into my lungs on the next inhalation. Again, I counted to 30. As I counted, I began to feel a pleasing, 'electric' sensation in my feet and lower legs - more than a tingle, but less than a shock. Again, I exhaled and took a third hit on the following inhalation and, again, began to count.

When I hit 10, the sensation in my feet and legs began to intensify. By the time I got to 20, I realized that I had already exhaled from the sheer force of the salvia hitting me fully.

The feeling in my feet and legs now moved up through my entire body and became astoundingly intense; it felt almost as if my body was vibrating. This vibrating gradually became a feeling of downward pressure, as if gravity's pull had suddenly intensified at least 3 times. I recall telling the other person in the room, 'It's cool. It's really cool. I'm feeling it now.' but my voice sounded far away and it took real effort just to speak. I was aware my words were slightly slurred, but unable to speak more clearly. Shortly, it would become too difficult to speak intelligibly at all - I had to concentrate just to be able to finish a sentence.

At this point, I began to feel I was slowly becoming two-dimensional. I felt I had become a (very heavy) completely flat version of myself - like a cardboard cutout. I remember trying to tell my friend what I was feeling at this point, but I was having serious trouble communicating with the outside world and I'm fairly certain I trailed off in mid-sentence. I then hallucinated that my now-flat legs had rolled up to my knees like a windowshade. This caused me to briefly panic and consider getting up to try to re-establish the existence of my legs. Luckily, I was still lucid enough to realize I had smoked salvia and that this was a hallucination. I spent the next few seconds in an internal discussion with myself over whether I would be physically able to maintain balance if I stood and decided it was best not to try.

The feeling of being flat and legless was giving way to the feeling that I was now somehow sinking or melting into the loveseat. What was me became indistinguishable from what was the loveseat. Eventually, what was me became indistinguishable from any object I looked at. The very concept of 'me' seemed, in itself, to be absurd. I was all of these things and they were all each other. I saw everything in the room and yet none of it had any meaning. I could neither distinguish between the television and the entertainment center upon which it sat, nor tell you the purpose of either one.

It was then that I might have begun to panic, when I suddenly felt myself return to lucidity. It wasn't a gradual return to my normal faculties, but more like I was suddenly 'snapped' back to a more lucid state.

I looked to my friend next to me on the couch and he told me I had been "gone" for about 5-6 minutes. During this time he had apparently moved from his seat and returned, though I had been unaware he had ever moved.

For the next 10-15 minutes I remained completely lucid, though speech and maintaining balance were still fairly difficult. I felt excited, almost elated during this period as I attempted to describe to my friend what I had experienced. By the time 30 minutes had passed, my speech and balance had recovered as well. I had a sense of general well-being and was in high spirits for the remainder of the evening. I awoke the following morning feeling completely normal.

That was the first (best) time. Overall, it was too short to be worth the cost (though any longer would be unbearable (to me)).

[unpossibles]

25. sounds very similar to my experience

from just the herb, not a concentrate, but in lighting it, etc. and also in losing my identity with the objects around me.

It was interesting overall, but... just a bit too unsettling too. I neither encourage nor discourage.

To the people who are afraid this is "the next mrijuana!!1!" that is silly as it is completely different on every level.

[bamacrat]

20. Pretty cool.

Weird, itchy, sweaty, twisty, laughy, reverting to a childhood memory cool. Feel slightly taken advantage of after. Not bad.

[Lil Missy]

21. LOL! I am sooo out of the loop! I thought you were asking about smoking saliva, or spit?

All this time, I have been wondering, why the hell would anyone want to smoke spit?? WTF? LOL!

After reading through the thread again, I finally figured it out.

I wouldn't do it myself. But, whatever trips your trigger ...

[geardaddy]

23. There's a bill in MN trying to criminalize it

http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/tag.do;jsessionid=981B6DEE97569F9C46A052DF3BD7D0F4?tag=salvia+divinorum

[unpossibles]

24. tried it about 4 times. It "worked" twice

Both times it worked, I had to basically smoke a whole bowl in one hit. The first time, I literally forgot I had legs - something which I have never had happen before - when I thought I was One with the coffee table. Tried it again about a year later, and thought I was in a bar/aquarium with Dave Attell.

Gave the rest away. A little intense, and you feel strange and heavy for about 20-60 minutes after the initial 5 minute buzz. The real kicker was, I kept thinking I had wet my pants (I had not).

Not my bag, baby, although maybe in the right place/time.

[nuxvomica]

26. I tried it once. The experience was intense and scary.

I was in my bedroom and the first effect was that my legs started tingling. Then I was no longer in the bedroom but on a sidewalk near a newstand downtown. It was a sunny day. There were red geraniums in flower boxes under the store's windows and over them hung a large, striped awning with semicircular edges that rustled loudly in the breeze. I blinked my eyes hoping the sensations would go away and feared that my mind had become permanently unhinged. Thankfully, it ended in a few minutes and there were no residual sensations.