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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:27 PM
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Vegetarian myths, Debunked
This is great. While I don't personally miss bacon, this guy makes some great points, such as how I seldom mention my diet to friends and coworkers because more often than not, when they find out they usually either harass me ("want this slice of ____?") or get defensive. Sure, every now and then someone has a genuine and politely asked question, which I will gladly answer, and occasionally someone will even admit that they too are vegetarian! And good point about the Gardenburgers - I don't hate them, but it sure is nice when you have some other option, especially considering the number of places which now have chicken and bacon on every salad and pasta dish, once a reliable standby.

Anyway, enjoy the read:

http://www.slate.com/id/2190872/entry/2168033/

Every vegetarian remembers his first time. Not the unremarkable event of his first meal without meat, mind you. No, I mean the first time he casually lets slip that he's turned herbivore, prompting everyone in earshot to stare at him as if he just revealed plans to sail his carrot-powered plasma yacht to Neptune. For me, this first time came at an Elks scholarship luncheon in rural Oregon when I was 18. All day, I'd succeeded at seeming a promising and responsible young man, until that fateful moment when someone asked why I hadn't taken any meat from the buffet. After I offered my reluctant explanation—and the guy announced it to the entire room—30 people went eerily quiet, undoubtedly expecting me to launch into a speech on the virtues of hemp. In the corner, an elderly, suited man glared at me as he slowly raised a slice of bologna and executed the most menacing bite of cold cut in recorded history. I didn't get the scholarship.

I tell this story not to win your pity but to illustrate a point: I've been vegetarian for a decade, and when it comes up, I still get a look of confused horror that says, "But you seemed so … normal." The U.S. boasts more than 10 million herbivores today, yet most Americans assume that every last one is a loopy, self-satisfied health fanatic, hellbent on draining all the joy out of life. Those of us who want to avoid the social nightmare have to hide our vegetarianism like an Oxycontin addiction, because admit it, omnivores: You know nothing about us. Do we eat fish? Will we panic if confronted with a hamburger? Are we dying of malnutrition? You have no clue. So read on, my flesh-eating friends—I believe it's high time we cleared a few things up.
...
As a consolation prize we get tofu, a treasure most omnivores are more than happy to do without. Well, this may stun you, but I'm not any more excited about a steaming heap of unseasoned tofu blobs than you are. Tofu is like fugu blowfish sushi: Prepared correctly, it's delicious; prepared incorrectly, it's lethal. Very early in my vegetarian career, I found myself famished and stuck in a mall, so I wandered over to the food court's Asian counter. When I asked the teenage chief culinary artisan what was in the tofu stir-fry, he snorted and replied, "Shit." Desperation made me order it anyway, and I can tell you that promises have rarely been more loyally kept than this guy's pledge that the tofu would taste like shit. So here's a tip: Unless you know you're in expert hands (Thai restaurants are a good bet), don't even try tofu. Otherwise, it's your funeral.

As long as we're discussing restaurants, allow me a quick word with the hardworking chefs at America's dining establishments. We really appreciate that you included a vegetarian option on your menu (and if you didn't, is our money not green?), but it may interest you to know that most of us are not salad freaks on a grim slog for nourishment. We actually enjoy food, especially the kind that tastes good. So enough with the bland vegetable dishes, and, for God's sake, please make the Gardenburgers stop; it's stunning how many restaurants lavish unending care on their meat dishes yet are content to throw a flavorless hockey puck from Costco into the microwave and call it cuisine. Every vegetarian is used to slim pickings when dining out, so we're not asking for much—just for something you'd like to eat. I'll even offer a handy trick. Pretend you're trapped in a kitchen stocked with every ingredient imaginable, from asiago to zucchini, but with zero meat. With no flesh available, picture what you'd make for yourself; this is what we want, too.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:33 PM
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1. How about a cross-post in the vegetarian forum?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:38 PM
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2. good call!
thanks.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:03 PM
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3. Heh heh, that was good.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:38 PM
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4. "I have no designs on your Camry or your hamster."

:spray:
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:31 PM
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5. This thread is making me want to go home and eat a steak!
(Actually, not really, but it seems to be a rule that a steak comment get posted on every vegetarian-related thread, so there it is...)

:)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:38 PM
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6. true, when i stopped eating meat and eggs i didn't tell anybody but eventually
i would have to tell a friend for family member and i got the look, somewhere between she's lost her damn mind and the horror, the horror. My local thai place is excellent and accommodating.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:59 PM
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14. Freak.
:P
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:02 PM
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15. almost 5 months already!!! woohoo!
i was a total freak before, now i'm just a bit healthier.


:7
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:41 AM
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18. love that
My grandfather freaked out when he found out years ago. To his mind, telling him I was a vegetarian would be like telling him I was dating a black guy (to name some more things we disagreed about... lol. rest his soul... hahaha...).

He told me, "I eat eggs and bacon every morning and it hasn't hurt me" to which I reminded him that he's had multiple problems with colon cancer.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:01 PM
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26. September 1974 I became a vegetarian
and in October 1974 I married a black guy. lol I have always liked to stir thing's up I guess. We're talking 1974 and peoples attitudes were different back then. I divorced the husband but I'm still a vegetarian.
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:44 PM
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7. So I am the problem with tofu
Edited on Thu May-08-08 06:46 PM by lizerdbits
I've tried making it and it was horrible no matter what I did. Apparently I have no idea what I'm doing. :rofl:

I never understood people saying they're vegetarian but eating chicken and fish. I always thought vegetarian meant no dead animals. That would practically make me vegetarian since I rarely eat beef.

I hate people who mock vegetarians. WHY DO YOU CARE?! IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

ETA: I hear the eating out complaint a lot. "Would you like the bland salad or the soggy vegetables."
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:49 PM
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8. Hehe
Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:08 PM by Inchworm
"...it may interest you to know that most of us are not salad freaks... and, for God's sake, please make the Gardenburgers stop."

As an omnivore who occasionally goes vegetarian and know a few people who actually are vegetarians, this part got a good snort out of me. I started looking at menus about a year ago in case I want to go out to eat with one. It is amazing how few options there usually are.

:rofl:

EDIT: OMG, Ooops.. I accidently went vegetarian tonight hehe. Yum :9
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:50 PM
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9. Try that with lactose intolerance (or vegan) and it gets much worse.
We had a lunch brought in fairly recently and the guy who brought it said he didn't know what to get me so I could just nibble on the decorative garnish! :rofl:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:54 PM
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11. Hmmm! Parsley!!
:rofl:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:24 PM
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12. If you can come to NYC
I have to take you to the Candle Cafe. It is a vegan cafe for vegans. The menu is not designed to appease meat eating guests. They just do phenomenal things with vegan food.
:9
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:55 PM
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13. I wish!
We have so few choices here. I'd love to try vegan food that marketed as vegan. Mostly I just go out to eat and ask that they leave off the animal products. :hi:
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:01 PM
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34. I'm a definite omni
but I'd like to try there.

I often eat food without meat, but small quantities of dairy do seem to find their way into lots of my cooking and so I'd love to experience good varied vegan food.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:12 PM
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35. If you ever come to the states
Edited on Sat May-10-08 02:12 PM by ThomCat
and NYC is on your itinerary I'd totally jump at a chance to meet you and take you there. :hug:

Edit for spelling.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:09 PM
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31. He *was* kidding, right?
:rofl:

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:30 PM
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33. Nope, that was all he brought.
:hi:
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:53 PM
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10. You are not a vegetarian until you tell me so
if I knew this, I wouldn't have lifted a forkful of bologna towards you, and knowing this now that is quite tasteless....
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:52 PM
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16. flvegan is sexy.
That's the biggest vegetarian myth. How did that one even get started?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:55 AM
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19. Rovian power of suggestion.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:14 PM
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21. Stickily lies!
He snorts when he laughs. :evilgrin:
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:31 PM
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24. Snorts what?
Shame, shame, flvegan. Just say no.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:42 PM
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25. Judging by the noise, a small piglet with asthma. nt
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:19 PM
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17. I'm a carnivore myself, but do love my veggies, so...
we do have something in common here. And, I'll go you one more-- being diabetic, I have to watch the carbs, so that limits a lot of choices. (I could be mean and say at least I have the meat.)

Years ago I discovered kosher dairy, should I want a meatless meal. It wasn't so much going meatless as the absolutely fantastic things they did with noodles and veggies. Not many of them around, but if you can find one, it's fantastic. As long as you can do the dairy-- sour cream in or on the noodles and blintzes is a rule.

Geez, even Chinese restaurants have gone Western and overload everything with meat. You wouldn't know how many authentic Chinese dishes are merely flavored with meat and could even lose the meat without losing all that much.

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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:07 PM
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20. "...it may interest you to know that most of us are not salad freaks...
Edited on Fri May-09-08 12:11 PM by Rob H.
on a grim slog for nourishment."

AMEN TO THAT! I rarely eat out anymore except at Asian restaurants for exactly that reason. I got sick of going to a regular ol' restaurant and having to subsist on side dishes while my dining companions got to eat a hearty meal. Good call on Thai restaurants, too; they can do all kinds of delicious dishes with tofu. :9

ETA: This part made me laugh, mainly because I still like the smell of bacon, too:

Believe me, if obtaining bacon didn't require slaughtering a pig, I'd have a BLT in each hand right now with a bacon layer cake waiting in the fridge for dessert.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:25 PM
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22. I like me some tofu. And I'm not vegetarian.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:49 PM
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23. this makes me hungry for a Gardenburger
:blush: I have simple needs I think.

The last time I was in San Francisco my friends took me to a sushi place and they ordered tofu! It was odd, I didn't know they'd serve tofu blocks there, they were pretty good I think.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:26 PM
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27. I work with a bunch of vegetarian Hindus
some don't even eat eggs...which coincidentally tend to be in everything. I'm a hard-core omnivore. Hasn't been a problem. They always ask me to choose the restaurant for our Friday lunches so I always make sure we go to a place that has ample vegetarian options. I don't require meat so we have also gone to pure vegetarian Indian places.

But what bothers me are the non-Hindu liberal self-righteous vegetarians who feel the need to ruin other people's meals. I had a real jerk of a roommate who would tell me all sorts of horrible things about milk and meat. He was annoying in other ways too. He was a real asshole.

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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:12 PM
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28. What I'd like to know is
how do you compensate for the protein?
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:42 PM
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29. It's not hard.
I get plenty of legumes, seeds & nuts, tofu, seitan, tempeh, etc. and there's protein in a lot more foods than people realize. The standard American diet tends to be pretty high in protein, so while we tend to get less protein, it's easy to get a sufficient amount. More isn't necessarily better in this case.

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:48 PM
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30. Lots of other sources outside of meat.
Vegetarians can get plenty from the same things tofunut stated above, plus any eggs or dairy they might eat.

I'm vegan and I get mine from soy, beans, legumes, peas, etc. I'm also a bodybuilder, and I have no problems with muscle mass.

Bioavailability is also something to take into consideration.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:39 PM
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32. It's a non-issue.
We eat.

As long as you're getting enough calories, you have to go pretty far out of your way to design a diet that doesn't have enough protein.
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