Ok , serious question , I have a friend who breast feeds while high

[UndertheOcean]

is that child abuse ? , on edit : It's only pot

(The breastfeeding contraption thread reminded me of this matter, this is a serious question , not meant as a copycat)

[TZ]

1. Yes.

The child is getting the active ingredients through the breast milk. There is a reason why breast feeding women are told *NOT* to take meds while breast feeding. Also marijuana can be contaminated with more potent drugs like angel dust..I would report someone like this to CPS, myself.

[UndertheOcean]

4. No way I can do that , that would be traumatic for her , she is a good person

and other than this thing I noticed , she is a good and caring mother.

Maybe I'll bring the subject up next time I visit , this is as far as I can go.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

5. Dude, she's not going to stop.

She's just going to get pissed at you. Good People don't get loaded and breast feed their kids.
Duckie

[Parche]

6. True, its Harmful

And we dont want the baby to go 'Tits Up'

:grr: :grr:

:hi:

[Sequoia]

9. The poster never said it was pot.

The mother could be high on booze or cocaine. I know women who smoke cigs or drink beer while breast feeding so who's the bad person? So far the kids are alright.

[UndertheOcean]

12. it is only pot

[Sequoia]

15. Okay, kids of hippies who smoked pot back in the 1960s how are you today?

IT.

IS.

NOT.

METH.

OKAY.

Since no one can agree, let's just burn her at the stake.

[TZ]

18. Yes and they also drank and smoked

during breast feeding and there are TONS of scientific articles on the DAMAGE that has done to youngsters.
My mother only smoked tobacco during breast feeding my oldest sister and shocker..She has immune issues! My mother seriously regrets that.
Pot might be okay for adults, but breastfeeding children are another story!

[Sequoia]

23. I don't believe you. TONS? Must weigh an awful lot.

How many scientific pounds of articles do you have? What sort of issues do you have? Never mind, I'm just messing with ya!

[TZ]

13. Thats JUST as bad

ALL those substances are transmitted through breast milk. Babies get their antibodies from breast milk. Foreign substances like alcohol and tobacco can screw up the immune system for life..and thats the BEST case scenarios. If she is SMOKING either pot or tobacco she is also introducing carcinogenic substances into a system that is NOT prepared to protect itself.

[PeaceNikki]

20. ok, NOT agreeing it's ok... but angel dust???!!?

You've been watching too many Nancy Reagan after-school specials if you think that a standard bag of weed might be laced with angel dust.

[khashka]

26. Agreed!

If it's in her system, it's in breastmilk. And while I consider pot a benign drug, an infant's system isn't the same as an adult's. This is not good. I'll go back to my old S/m thang: It requires consent. In this case... if you wanna do drugs, fine. But you can't force it on someone who can't consent to it. And for an infant... goddess, I don't want to think about it! I'd call CPS. Not only is it not ethical, it could well be dangerous. Yeah, I'd call it child abuse.

Khash.

[appal_jack]

31. have you lost your mind?!?

Turtlensue,

Have you any idea what a call to CPS would trigger? Removal of child from mother. No breast milk at all for baby then. Trauma. Court costs that will eat up funds that would otherwise be spent on raising baby. Foster Care. More trauma.

Is any of that worth preventing the delivery of small quantities of a substance that MAY slightly impair motor development in the first year (but evidence indicates that by weaning, baby's development will be entirely normal).

If pot caused awful developmental disabilities, then we would surely see some statistical trends in post 1960's America.

-app

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. Being altered while being responsible for other people is irresponsible.

I don't know if there are health issues with drugs affecting the milk, but I imagine there are.

But anyone who gets drunk or otherwise fucked up and in an altered state when they're supposed to be taking care of someone, esp a baby, is an irresponsible selfish shit.

[Genevieve]

3. Yes, absolutely it is abuse and I totally agree with what Turtlesue said...eom

[DS1]

7. I can always count on you for total trainwreck threads

The *cough* people you know who aren't you are seriously F'd up.

[UndertheOcean]

14. Thats right , I almost blurt whatever comes to mind at any moment

my filter is broken , or something

[MichiganVote]

8. She has a choice, the child does not. This is a reportable act whether she is a good person or not.

[skygazer]

10. Yes

If your friend is breastfeeding because she wants to give her baby a good start in life, she's fucking it all up by including "extras."

While reporting her is an option, I do believe that a lot of people mean well but don't think. You might start by pointing the above out to her.

[RetroLounge]

11. You really need to make new friends

:eyes:

RL

[UndertheOcean]

19. I love my friends.

One is Gay and so into Political science (and Vampires , and Acid). The other is this hippie lady , then there is that delvishly smart guy with Autism , who is into Mathematics. But , sadly , no cocaine or heroine addicts that I know , were can I find such people ? , They must be smart also.

[sammythecat]

35. 13th & Peffer St., Harrisburg, Pa.

His name is Ramone G. and he's a stunningly brilliant cocaine addict.

[LeftyMom]

16. Not all drugs pass into breastmilk, and not all that do have any effect on the child.

http://www.kellymom.com/health/lifestyle/marijuana.html

(I'm not going to excerpt, because you should read the whole thing. It's short.)

[huskerlaw]

17. Very uncool.

Would she think it was ok to blow the smoke in her baby's face? Because that pretty much would have the same outcome.

She's putting an illegal substance into her baby's body. Repeatedly. Yes, it is child abuse. Even if it is "only" pot.

Hell, when my sisters were nursing, if they cut loose one night and had ONE wine cooler, they would pump their breast milk the next day (or for a certain number of hours afterwards) and THROW IT AWAY. Why? Because the baby doesn't need the wine cooler. Same theory here.

[mitchum]

21. I do the same thing, but only when I'm really high

I'm talking baked

[lutefisk]

28. But you're talking consenting adults, right?

Liquid munchies?

If we're talking about a stoned mom nursing a baby... well that's just wrong.

[mitchum]

30. What consenting adults?

I imagine there's a baby there...just as I imagine that I am lactating...or that I even have breasts.
Remember...I said baked :)

[Bucky]

22. Shit, I thought this was gonna be an Olive Garden thread

Still, not cool. I don't know if THC gets into breast milk, but I think it's dumb to risk it.

[undeterred]

24. I have a friend who polished off a box of Frango mints

while she was still nursing. Well the mints are super wonderful chocolate, and there is caffeine in chocolate... Frango Baby was highly caffeinated for a while!

[PeaceNikki]

25. "Frango Baby"

:rofl:

Is that the child's nickname?

[undeterred]

27. For a while!

At first they didn't know why he was wide awake instead of dozing off after nursing...

[Mojambo]

29. Pretty sketchy.

But I don't have any idea on the science behind the potential effects.

[Blue-Jay]

32. It's all good.

[sammythecat]

34. I know it's just a photoshop

but, unfortunately, I can easily imagine some idiots who'd think that was cool in real life.

[sammythecat]

33. Tell her to stop or tell someone who will make her stop.

It's so totally discouraging that this is even a question for chrissake!

This is my 40th year of smoking pot and I have no idea what, if any, effect it has had on me. I like it and have no intention of stopping, but it seems clear to me that pot is not for children or nursing mothers.

This girl is most assuredly a selfish idiot and is not fit to be a parent. Does she have definitive proof that breast milk from a pothead is harmless to an infant? No, of course she doesn't. So why is she doing it? The answer is because she is a selfish idiot. What other reason could there be? She is being utterly careless and irresponsible with what will likely be the greatest responsibility she'll ever have. I have to wonder what other stupidities this helpless child is being subjected to.

Jesus! We have to get permits and licenses to do all manner of relatively inconsequential things but any lout and his ol'lady can fuck at will and have as many children condemned to their care as they want. It's obscene. I think half the people in this world have no business having children. Obviously I would include the parents of this wretched girl. Look what they did with her!

[mainegreen]

36. It's really irresponsible.

Regardless of what potential harm may or may not happen to the baby from potentially dubious milk, the mom is impaired while taking care of a small baby. Not unless her partner is right there with her, totally sober, whenever she is high for as long as she is high, monitoring the situation.

When you have kids you really need to start figuring out when doing this shit is appropriate and when it is not.

[cabbage08]

37. YES