No BSG thread yet tonight? Really? (Spoilers likely within)

[JTG of the PRB]

Excellent episode tonight, setting up an absolutely AMAZING series finale next week.

I don't want it to end. I really, really don't want it to end. :cry:

[HeresyLives]

1. Obviously a battle coming up.

And finally some answers.

[JTG of the PRB]

2. Not only that, but *SPOILERS*

...a battle right beside a frakking black hole! Good GODS! The final assault will be insane, and it looks like Galactica will go out in a blaze of glory.

Whether or not it's a happy ending (or a somewhat happy ending) remains to be seen. I have my doubts...

[HeresyLives]

4. What's on the other side of a

space anomaly?

Is Hera really a helpless little girl?

Why don't they leave the hybrid plugged in, and how come the doctor has never noticed this going on?

First time I felt sympathy for Gaius tho. :)

[NewJeffCT]

13. Somebody here on DU speculated

that Galactica was really the dying leader that will lead them to the promised land, not Laura Roslin. Perhaps the battle in the black hole will be where they find the promised land?

[RandomThoughts]

3. There has been a great deal of symmetry

with that show and real life, although some things were totally wrong from my POV, I could really relate to parts of that show.

I wonder, I actually wonder quite often, if they see the same thing.

Even with some of the things I disagree with, it sure is a great show. So many great mini plots in that show. It was an amazing piece of writing.

[progressoid]

5. There's always Caprica (the prequel) to fill the void for a while.

There's no way I'm missing next week's episode.

[MicaelS]

11. The Caprica premiere

Will be available April 21st direct to DVD. Amazon has it for pre-order for $18.99.

[progressoid]

17. I have to pay for it?

[MicaelS]

18. Only if you want to...

Otherwise you have to wait until this fall until it's shown on TV.

[slay]

24. Get it from Netflix

or other source online if need be. ;)

[RoyGBiv]

6. I'll probably cry ...

This episode got me all choke up. Next week is gonna trash me.

There will be The Plan afterward, but it's not going to be the same without BSG.

:cry:

[RandomThoughts]

7. The guy cleaning the board on the command bridge

Was using a sham-wow
:rofl:

[crimsonblue]

8. I want it to end.....

I love the show, but I really want to find out how it all fits together. Plus, I hope to God that Gaeus doesn't redeem himself. It would be a COMPLETE cop-out if that little shit is allowed to become the good guy in the end. He is the perfect nihilist character, and I hope he stays greedy and self-absorbed til his last breath!

[MicaelS]

10. He WILL be redeemed

Count on it. Head Six keeps saving Baltar will lead humanity to it's new home.

[progressoid]

16. Or maybe she's finally done using him and puts a bullet in his head?

All I know is there are a LOT of loose ends to tie up.

[crimsonblue]

20. That'd be a complete cop-out.

It is bullshit for a shallow, petulant, greedy, irredeemable character to be allowed to suddenly change tunes at the very end. IMO, it would completely ruin the entire series. He needs to remain a nihilistic character.

[RandomThoughts]

9. Is Glenn and Chuck

Bouncing off of BSG, everyone volunteering moving to right side of ship. Glenn asking for people to send in pictures then hanging them on the wall of his studio. Not to mention he made a bigger picture from smaller pictures.

Glenn Chuck, run to the black hole, run to the black hole!

I don't think they get it. They speak first of fighting and revolution, and for what? They did nothing during war, nothing during corruption. But single payer health care? higher taxes?

Run to the black hole Glenn and Chuck!

Insane, that is
:rofl:

[slay]

12. Yeah I've been loving these final eps

The build up to the end has been amazing. Taking it back to the beginning - showing how they were pre-attack even - was brilliant. And with the new Caprica series next year (mini-series hits DVD this April 21st), it won't be SO bad not having BSG. Agreed - great ep - should be an amazing 2 hr finale next week. I was tearin up there at the end when Roslin walked out lookin like she's on death's door. So will all be revealed? Who is Kara Thrace? What is her special destiny? What role does Baltar play in all of this. Will Boomer redeem herself or is it too late. And Sam.. what the hell is up with Sam. Will we see Daniel? These questions and many more will be answered (or not) in the final episode of Battlestar Galactica. See ya there. :)

[NewJeffCT]

14. Some guesses

These are just guesses, mind you:

Kara is a cylon, child of the "boxed" Daniel and _____? I am guessing one Daniel managed to escape boxing, and then fathered Kara.

It's too late for Boomer, but she will attempt to redeem herself by taking Hera back to her mom.

Baltar will be the one who discovers that something is on the other side of the black hole, or that it's a way to get somewhere safe & inhabitable.

No clue on Sam

A lot will be revealed, but some of it will be as clear as mud.

[slay]

23. I agree about..

Kara. We saw Kara's mom in 3x17 when she "died" - if that was her real mom. I'm thinking Kara may be like Hera. Baltar will definatly be up to something - your thoughts of bringing him round full circle to science guy again sounds good. No matter what happens, it's been a hell of a series and I can't wait to see how it all plays out! Woo-hoo. :woohoo:

[Haole Girl]

15. I fell asleep watching it again :(

And I was doing so well, too, until they went back to the ship. It's that low rumble of the ship noise... I can only watch it during the day! lol

[RandomThoughts]

19. BSG is a pretty entertaining show

The characters are so excellent, they have been developed so well, the TV series ending is sad. But the writers should be able to start new projects with the success of BSG behind them. Also the quality of acting in that show, the quality is so far above the dribble we get on so many shows.

Again, I do not agree with many of the philosophies, or ideas in the show, but what show could you agree with everything about. However, every episode does push my mind to think, rarely does it challenge serious values, yet it allows me, and I assume others, to expand on thoughts of society, and our own limitations in our own travels, in our fragile fleet of star ships on our way home.

I look forward to next weeks great episode, and will enjoy it in the BSG universe, not the wild and wacky one of unrelated insanity :)

[MorningGlow]

21. The Caprica flashbacks were particularly powerful

I didn't expect those, and the juxtaposition of the events of the past with the present...wow. So Lee was a girlfriend thief before Kara, eh? And Laura's family... :cry:
And Gaius has always been an incredible asswipe. :rofl:

[RoyGBiv]

26. I agree ...

But, you know what's funny in an annoying sort of way?

Discussions on some of the hardcore fan-sites during the airing, which I generally read after the show is over, displayed the exact opposite opinion. I was aghast. I thought it was brilliant how they're weaving everything together, all the way back to before the holocaust on the colonies. But, no ... It seems the majority on at least that fan site HATED it.

Based on additional comments, I gathered they were mostly wanting the Big Battle to start and to consume both last night's episode and the two hours next week as well.

Of course, a lot of this came from people who joined the site in the past few months, people I doubt very much actually have watched the show during its entire run. They don't seem to "get it."

I can understand why a person might not have liked that. It wasn't expected, and there just are so many questions still that we want answered now. Those flashbacks raised even more questions really, so it could be taken as frustrating.

But I still loved it.

[MorningGlow]

28. Did they think it took up too much time or something?

The one thing that made me tense was that I was very aware of the "clock ticking"--only this ep and then the two-hour finale...HOW are they going to wrap everything up in time?!
:rofl:

I guess I'm just a contrarian or something--I don't WANT The Big Battle. I think a shoot-'em-up would take too much time away from the character-driven, psychological mindphk that I've come to know and adore as BSG.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[RoyGBiv]

33. Something like that ...

One guy posted during the show, after about 15 minutes.

There's a poll on the thread that isn't unlocked for voting until after the show is over, and he wanted it unlocked right then so he could vote "Worst Ever." It just told me he, and those who followed, were probably late-comers to the show and watched selectively for the battle scenes and such. Oh, look ... shiny CGI.

I'm like you. I don't want that big battle either. I do want to *know*, but I also realize that knowing means there's no more show left. It's going to be a bittersweet Friday next week.

I am looking forward to The Plan, which, last I heard, is supposed to air shortly after the season finale. It was filmed after the show's last episodes, directed by James Olmos, and deals with the cylons and what their plan was leading up to the nuclear attack. It is supposed to work sort of like Razor did, filling in gaps and giving us a bigger picture.

[MicaelS]

42. Too many of the posters over the BSG Forum

Are too wrapped up in the all the plot details, as opposed to the characters. They want every little thing explained in microscopic detail. They are not getting that and they are upset.

[RoyGBiv]

43. Yeah ...

They're starting to remind me of an acquaintance in high school who hated (*hated*) Douglas Adams because he never really explained what "42" was all about other than this answer to a question that no one knew. The guy railed on it. Would not let it go.

Some people simply cannot enjoy fiction.

[hedgehog]

22. Who or what is the Cylon that Baltar keeps seeing? And didn't

Caprica 6 used to see a Baltar?

[RoyGBiv]

25. That's Head Six ...

As in, the Six in Baltar's head ... At some point, when we got to know the six known as Caprica, we saw that she had a Head Baltar.

Have you not watched the first season?

Head Six was in almost every episode for awhile. We never have known her true nature, whether she is totally a figment of his imagination, some expression of Balta's inner-self, or what. She's associated in some way with Baltar surviving the nukes on Caprica, but we don't know all involved. The past few episodes have clarified some things and, typically, raised new questions. For example, the question of how he survived the blast that destroyed his home has never been answered that I recall. We weren't even sure of that Six's fate (Baltar was with the Six on Caprica that had infiltrated the computer network and allowed the attack to take place by surprise), but we have now seen that she died and was resurrected. If she died, standing right next to Baltar during a nuclear blast, how did Baltar survive?

Anyway ... that's who that is.

OnEdit: Head Six *completely* confused me at first. I was resistant to this show's appearance, thinking they were going to try to take the old series and just re-do it with only cosmetic changes and better special effects. I thought making Starbuck a woman was a pandering notion. So, I missed the first four or five episodes entirely and then, bored one night, watched an episode, got hooked, but was totally clueless as to what that thing walking around in the dress was supposed to be. Thankfully my cable company had all the episodes, including the pilot, on free On Demand video, and later I ended up watching the entire first season in a two day sitting.

[hedgehog]

27. I didn't see the first season, and wasn't sure what the relationship

was between Head Six and Caprica 6. I did see a couple episodes. If I remember rightly, Baltar didn't realize at first that he was the only one seeing Head 6.


Maybe the final episode will circle around to the nuclear blast seen in the first.

[targetpractice]

29. I've always thought they both died...

Maybe Six and Baltar both died in the blast and their consciousnesses were scrambled during the upload/resurrection process. Baltar has a little bit of Six in his brain, and Caprica Six has a little bit of Baltar in hers.

During the two year relationship on Caprica, Six had plenty of time to prepare Baltar for the memory transfer.

[RoyGBiv]

31. Interesting thought ...

The producers and writers used this confusion for a long time to let us think Baltar was, first, possibly one of the skin jobs or, second, one of the final five. Clearly he's neither, but then we now have a question of just what cylons and humans are beyond their obvious representations.

Why couldn't the cylon resurrection process work on a human given enough preparation?

I dunno ...

One thing I do know is that the producers of this show have played very well with the concept of having us view the story through the eyes of its participants, being just as ignorant as they are. There's an implication of the audience being aware of more than the characters because we see bits of the story that only some characters know at the time we see it, but that doesn't last long. We're having this revealed to us just as it is being revealed to the characters themselves, and that's not really easy to pull off in a long-run show like this and maintain the audience's interest without getting overly frustrated.

Baltar's story is a prime example of this. We knew, for instance, he was responsible for letting the cylons infiltrate the defense systems of the colonies far longer than anyone else did, but that knowledge turned out not to matter so much except as how it worked to keep us in suspense of if or when he would be revealed. Now everyone knows, and it doesn't matter. In the end, we still don't know anymore than any of the character's do.

Just rambling ... these producers and writers are brilliant, and I get rather chatty about it.

[Nickster]

32. I think the final 5 are the humans that used the resurrection process originally.

[targetpractice]

34. Speculation...

Once we learned that the 13th Colony Cylons learned how to procreate... that eliminated the distinction between human and Cylons from a storytelling perspective (in my mind).

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are all Cylons (various different versions) who are repeating a cycle of creation, rebellion, rebirth long after the extinction of actual human beings. These Cylons are our descendents far into the future. The only vestiges of humanity to survive are artifacts like phones with cords, suits with neckties, colonies named after the zodiac, and Bob Dylan songs.

Because these artificial beings are repeating a loop.. memories of a previous cycle appear to the current characters as prophecy.

This mythology would satisfy me.

[RoyGBiv]

36. That would not surprise me ...

It not surprising me is the only argument I have against it. I tend to be surprised by pretty much everything.

But, I know a couple people who predicted well beforehand that Ellen was one of the final five and then *the* final cylon. Their logic so closely mirrored the way things actually turned out that I've started to question whether they aren't somehow connected with the show, at least as observers who are able to spy on various things. I dismissed their Ellen theory back when they first advanced it and then when that turned out to be the case, I went back and followed it by watching the episodes where they said such clues were evident. And, they were.

One of them also has advanced the theory that they are all cylons in one way or another, with the caveat that the way we currently understand cylons is not entirely accurate, which would fit with this idea that the Final Five were originally humans who learned how to resurrect.

Damn ... One of the things I'm going to miss most of all is all the speculation.

[MorningGlow]

30. You weren't the only one

I remember when I heard that "they" were going to be remaking BSG. I practically fell on the floor laughing. Remake the ultimate Cheesefest In Space?! (Caveat: I was 12 when the first BSG aired, and I LOVED it. I recently tried to watch one of the original eps on Hulu. OMG!) I also rolled my eyes at the news that Starbuck was going to be a woman. WTF--dear womanizing, cigar-chomping, gambling Starbuck?!

But for some reason I sat down to watch the first episode and was absolutely captivated--and instantly horrified, with that scene with Cap 6 and the baby. Been an addict ever since. Comparing the old BSG to the new BSG is like comparing kumquats and roller-skate keys.

[RoyGBiv]

35. I was about that age too ...

Watched it religiously when I was a kid.

Tried to re-watch it awhile back and couldn't sit through it. Total cheese.

And I'm SO glad that Boxey didn't make it past the pilot. Actually, I shouldn't say that. If they'd re-done his character in the same way they reworked everyone else's, he could have fit. I could see Boxey as a frustrated, psychologically damaged kid who wound up as one of Baltar's minions. But, the one scene he had in the pilot didn't hold out much promise in my mind.

[MorningGlow]

37. LOL you know, I was actually interested in how they would handle Boxey

But that damned mechanical dog...what was its name? Ew. :scared:

[RoyGBiv]

38. Moffit ...

... that being one of the primary reasons I was terrified they'd include him. Robotic pets ... always struck me as a marketing tool, even when I was a kid.

On a related tangent, I really liked the fact that pets showed up in this show. The part the poor cat played as Lampkin's (Baltar's lawyer) pet was heart-wrenching.

[MorningGlow]

39. Yes! Moffit! OMG!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ah, memories of my adolescence are coming back with a vengeance...!
:rofl:

Oh yes Lampkin's cat. I have three kitties, so I :cry:

And I thought the character of Lampkin was freakin' (frakkin'?) BRILLIANT. LOVE that guy and his strong effort at being amoral, yet he always ends up being more moral than he wants to be...

[RoyGBiv]

41. I love Lampkin ...

You can see the wheels churning in his head ...

Man ... I do NOT want to do this ...

Ah, hell, I'll do it anyway.

He's sort of a "Give it to Mikey, he'll eat anything" character. He always gets the worst jobs, but he does them so well.

And I loved his brief part at Adama's "trial." The writing was excellent, but his delivery made the scene.

Since his introduction, I've wanted a bigger part for him, but then I don't suppose turning BSG into BSG: LA Law wouldn't have turned out all that well in the end. :)

[DS1]

40. Unless he was at the back of the ship, he got his port and starboard wrong

:)