Help me explain to my son why music should move you, and be passionate

[tigereye]

He can't understand why I think music sometimes should offend, or at least not bore one to death.

[BlueJazz]

1. I'll just throw in one Line: Boring Music makes for Boring People.

[tigereye]

3. or perhaps non-offensive music leads to boredom and lack of adventurous

listening!

:hi:


I'm assuming there may be some squonkin' and/or cool jazz in your possession?

[BlueJazz]

11. Hi. You said it better than I could. I like just about all forms of Music....

...even some boring ones.

I just don't play them back to back all day... :) :)

[Inchworm]

2. It is the mission of each true knight..his duty

yea, his priveledge to dream the impossible dream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGzqbEeVWhs

Alls I got. :)

:hi:

[tigereye]

5. that will work!

All art should be passionate. The mission of art is to teach and delight!

[HopeHoops]

4. Headphones and King Crimson's "Prince Rupert's Lament" - that should do it.

On Edit: Sorry, I should have mentioned that it is on the album "Lizard". If you really want him to understand, sit him down to the entire "Lark's Tongue in Aspic" album.

[tigereye]

6. I assume my husband has that somewhere- he's a big King Crimson fan

well, I have to tell you that my kid grew up listening to Capt Beefheart and Tuvan throat singing, and has already seen Tom Verlaine, Patti Smith, Wilco and Richard Thompson, to name a few.


Hmm, so I'm thinking there's a disconnect here somewhere, as he's been raised on lots of indie, alternative as well as traditional music!

[HopeHoops]

7. Time to move on to Weather Report and Spyro Gyra

Actually, I recently saw Spyro Gyra live (all original members) in Harrisburg, PA - incredible concert.

[tigereye]

8. I liked Weather Report

as a rule I like challenging jazz (Ornette, Mingus, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Modern Jazz Quartet, etc. as well as female vocalists and pianists) but I have to say I saw one of the Brecker brothers play at the local Uni jazz festival last year, and was duly impressed.

[bbernardini]

33. Alternately, headphones and King Crimson's "Thrak" album.

Specifically, the tune that's in 5 in one speaker, and 7 in the other.

[XemaSab]

9. Art in general should move people

Sometimes you want something to move you into a calm state, but sometimes you want something that makes you angry or offended.

[tigereye]

10. I was thinking about Yanni and the PBS propensity for sleep-inducing music

when I wrote this... :rofl:


There is so much great music (including wonderful as well as calm classical, jazz, instrumental etc) that it kills me when blandness wins. PBS used to play amazing music (like punk heroes and Austin City Limits, as well as that NC show with cool musical hosts), but no more. It pains me.

[BlueJazz]

13. Oh Brother ..I swear, tigereye, I was in a Music store two weeks ago and I ...

...picked up a copy of "Yanni Transciptions" (just to look at it)

My God...you could have turned to any page in the entire Book and known what happened before and after that page.

:puke:

[tigereye]

16. I try every now and then to see Kenny G in a different light, since I know that

he (and others whose lack of oomph I find frustrating) have skills. But its still quite difficult.


Did it lack vision? It would be really cool to compare compositional qualities, I would think, like Monk, for example

[BlueJazz]

32. I saw Kenny in a show 'bout 2 years ago. The dude can play and I mean play well.

I can imagine what goes on in the studio as I worked for CBS for 8 years as a Studio Musician.
The producer often "inputs" :mad: what He/She thinks will sell.

So...a player will record a Smoking ad-lib Break/solo and the Producer will say something like..
.."Yeah, that sounds great but Joe or Jane six-pack won't understand it." Arrrgg!
...and then you have to Water-it-down to some simplistic crap that the "Crowd" will like.

It can be Fustrating at first//// Sigh...but then you realize (as with a lot of day-jobs)..
..I'm just here to sell something not Pave new roads to the Art of Playing.....again.. Sigh.. :)

[JVS]

12. Give him the Mantovani treatment.

[tigereye]

17. ha ha ha ha

:rofl: No, I leave that to Wolfmother...

[DeepBlueC]

14. It's the kind of thing he has to come to on his own

or with his peers. You can educate people about music in general or types of music but you can't teach them to like it.

[tigereye]

18. true, it's the question of passion that I was trying to get across - and that

can cover a lot of turf.


No, i know that I can't expect folks to love what I love (or even my kid) I just hope our eclecticism doesn't drive him into the arms of Zamfir, or even Killswitch Engage, or othjer bands where guys scream themselves hoarse...


I'm an old school punk, and I grew up listening to my mom's musical theater and classical records. Suum quique.


:rofl:

[DeepBlueC]

19. scary possibilities those

Kids will always find a way to mortify us.

[mvd]

15. Hi tigereye!

I like so many kinds of music and what I listen to sometimes depends on my mood - just introduce him to stuff he might not know, and he can have a better feel for his taste. :hi:

[tigereye]

20. yes, but the question is passion vs. blandness!

music should excite, soothe, calm, make us curious, but not bore us to tears! All art should engender some type of passion, no?


This kid has pretty much heard every kind of weird and traditional music you could name, so the variety is not the issue. It's more of a philosophical question!


:hi:

[mvd]

21. Yes, but boring/bland is subjective

That's what I'm saying. :hi:

There are some CDs that aren't so profound that get me exhilarated in their own way.

[tigereye]

24. I was gonna say crap is crap, but that's just my opinion -

I just hate the idea of spoon-fed corporate pap or sanitized blandness, but we'll have to leave it there.. But 5,000 music critics agree with me! :rofl:

[mvd]

25. Music critics? Meh!

:P

:hi:

[Aristus]

22. Leonard Bernstein once said: "Music should lift your spirit, or interest your mind,

or fill you with religious or passionate or dreamy or triumphant feelings."

He never said music shouldn't offend you.

If any of Leonard Bernstein's music programs for children are available for purchase, you should get a few and play them for him. They're incredible.

[RetroLounge]

23. Headphones

and The Cramps Bad Music for Bad People, followed by The Clash London Calling, followed by Jesus & Mary Chain Psychocandy.

just sayin'

RL

[tigereye]

27. not bad!

he's sort of at the right age for that.

[Bennyboy]

26. Put on Miles Davis "Colors"

and have him see if he can identify the colors that Miles is trying to portray. But don't let him name the color until the track is completely finished.

[tigereye]

28. actually they have done something similar at the school he attends

with a jazz combo that played there.


That's a good idea, though.

[MrSlayer]

29. One either feels music or they don't.

Most people don't, which is why the pop charts are filled with no talents like the Jonas Brothers and Creeds of the world.

[tigereye]

30. well at least with Ipods, some folks may be exposed to more types of music

than they might otherwise...

[Heidi]

31. I'm kind of reluctant to say that any artist or art form "should" do anything,

just as I wouldn't want to say what any observer of a creative piece "should" feel. It's just a road I don't wanna go down. Art, music, sculpture, literature all can be really personal experiences, but they don't have to be. :shrug: