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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:01 PM
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I feel bad for the Columbine survivors.
Every year the media makes sure they live it all over again.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:03 PM
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1. What brought this on? was there another story on it?
I haven't heard anything about that lately...thought it was old news by now
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:04 PM
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3. I live in CO, it is the 10 year anniversary tomorrow. n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 07:05 PM by NOW tense
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:13 PM
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4. Oh, okay then....you don't live near Littleton, do you?
I remember when this all happened....it was terrible.

I was never quite clear on why those two kids did what they did, but I remember hearing that they were teased mercilessly and it must have just built up inside them. They killed kids they didn't even know from what I understand, as well as two teachers.
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:30 PM
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6. I live in the Front Range.
I am not looking to debate what was wrong with the shooters. It is more that.... if a tragedy happened in my life, and it was in the news every year it would wear on me a little bit. I don't think anyone is going to forget about the event, so I don't understand why it needs to be studied every year on it's anniversary.

I am not helping my cause..... I am talking about it now, so everyone can rehash it. FAILED...
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:41 PM
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8. Well....no, there's nothing wrong with talking about it..it was a disturbing incident
the whole country was watching this unfold...I feel bad that they replay it more often ( in your area, specifically ) but I'm guessing that people there just want to forget about it and move on with their lives, especially the survivors of the victims. I'm sure the victims families don't need reminders of what happened that day...how could they forget it? The media ( if they are pushing a story here ) needs to back off and let these families get on with their lives.

Does that make sense to you?
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:43 PM
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9. Agreed. n/t
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 08:40 PM
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14. it has come out that they weren't bullied and were actually bullies, and that
they had planned to kill many, many more people than they did. They also had bombs that failed to work and probably would have killed even more folks if they had worked. Their lack of compassion for anyone, including themselves, is simply beyond comprehension.



It's just a horrifying tragedy, even after all this time.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:03 PM
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2. I feel a hell of a lot worse for the victims.
Just sayin...


Laura
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:13 PM
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5. I feel bad for all the GD posters who can't blame it on Bush
:hide:
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:53 PM
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10. If they can't blame it on Bush, then they're just not trying hard enough.
They're never going to get anywhere in life with that attitude.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 07:37 PM
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7. I get ticked off when it causes anti-game BS to pop up instead discussion of the real cause...
...of the horrible event, 2 teens that were bullied so much that they snapped.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 08:06 PM
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11. yes...in post #4 I state that
it was discovered these two kids were teased quite badly, and became social outcasts. I know what that is like....in fact, I have an intimate knowledge of it ( considering my high school years ). Anyway, blaming it on any video game ( the media ) was lame and pretty much taking the easy way out. What they did was wrong...having been through what I've been through I wish I could have tried to be there and talk them out of it. I don't think that would have even worked, though...they seemed to have had their minds made up at that point.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 08:17 PM
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12. The claims that these two were teased or teased mercilessly was proven false.
They had both planned this whole thing for over a year. They were also not part of any trenchcoat mafia. Nor were they outcasts. Much of what the media reported to sensationalize this horror was all wrong.

There is a factual new book out written by a David Cullen if I'm not mistaken.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 08:32 PM
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13. I recall hearing that they were called "faggots", weirdos, nazis...etc
them being shoved into lockers, taunted...but perhaps I will check out this book by this David Cullen.

I could only assume that this David Cullen was a classmate...someone who knew what was really going on in that school and decided to write about it later on...perhaps someone who witnessed the events of that day? :shrug: unless, of course he is a reporter who was going on tidbits of info
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:07 PM
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15. Cullen is a journalist from Denver -
Here's an excerpt from the review, a link to the review and a link to Amazon with excerpts from the book. He reported on Columbine for Slate and Salon.

"As Cullen eventually writes, “there had been no trigger” — at least none that would be satisfying to horrified outsiders, grieving parents or anyone in between. Eric Harris was a psychopath, simple as that. Dylan Klebold was a suicidally depressed kid who yoked his fate to a sadist. Instead, what intrigues the author are perceptions and misperceptions: how difficult a shooting spree is to untangle; how readily mass tragedies lend themselves to misinformation and mythologizing; how psychopaths can excel at the big con."

New York Times Book Review

Amazon excerpts
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:02 AM
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18. I worked with kids like Harris many years ago - they are masters at
attracting other kids to go along with their craziness. They seem to enjoy ruining the lives of others as much as possible.
Still, I am amazed no one ever seems to be keeping an eye on these two - I can't believe they were unnoticed. I'll have to read thaqt book....

mark
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:22 PM
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16. You really should consider investing more time and energy into the facts of the matter.
Edited on Sun Apr-19-09 09:22 PM by MichiganVote
These youth were not troubled by bullying. They were killers as evidenced by the extreme planning that they did for over a year. Its all documented and most of it by them in journals and videos.

You needn't assume anything about the journalist David Cullen. David Cullen is a journalist and the information about his work is available at his web address. He had been working with the FBI for ten years to amass and analyze all the evidence the killers left behind as well as that generated by law enforcement. There are also articles of his available online at this ten year anniversary.

But if you choose to believe what suits you for emotional reasons of your own, I'm sure neither I or anyone else will lose any sleep over it.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:52 PM
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17. Ummm...I'm really not investing much time or energy into this matter
I only stated what I heard when watching this story on the news...what is your beef with me here?

I'm not looking for anything to "suit me" as you stated...what an ignorant frame of mind

It was my understanding that they were teased, called "faggots" shoved against lockers etc...of COURSE I'm not having any success googling this stuff, though I've tried...I do remember hearing about these incidents when this story broke...would have provided a link by now...

By all means, don't lose sleep over it...I sure as hell won't :crazy:
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