People who make under $50,000 support Clinton while

[babylonsister]

students and educated Americans support Obama. Paul Begala just said that on CNN, and I've heard that before.

Why is that? Name recognition, people not paying attention?

He failed to mention the older people who support Clinton, and my dad is an example; he'd relish two presidents in one and loves the big dawg, but hates *.

[Skittles]

1. oh yeah

the only reasons people can support HRC is they are ignorant

[babylonsister]

2. Begala is a Hillary supporter; I'm not making this up-he said it. nt

[Skittles]

3. he presented a supposed FACT

you are making the inferences

[babylonsister]

4. What inferences? I related something from my personal history and asked

why this might be. Sorry if I hit a nerve, but it wasn't intentional. I'm wondering why Clinton relates to the under $50,000 crowd.

[Skittles]

11. did I read it wrong

who pre-supposed the REASON could be "name recognition" or "people not paying attention" - was it someone to whom Begala was speaking?

[babylonsister]

12. You're right, I provided those assumptions. As for 'ignorance' I

did not mean stupid, I meant ignorant of what's going on because they're not interested and/or are too busy working, raising a family, etc. I in no way meant dumb, and am very sorry if it came across that way.
Name recognition is self-explanatory.

[MADem]

14. She speaks to their needs, in terms of the economy, health care and

jobs, to say nothing of repairing our national image.

If you compare the way she talks WITH people, in short, simple but not simplistic declarative sentences, to all the on-and-on soaring rhetoric of Obama, she appeals more to the person who has to work for a living and isn't inclined to listen to a lot of ...pretty words. It's not a big drill to listen to her and digest what she is saying and where she is going.

She completely skips any hyperbole, it's fact, fact, fact, BOOM/SOLUTION. And she does that, over and over again.

Not hope, change, dream, big picture idea, more big picture, platitude, generalization...small fact.

In the time that Obama can get past a big soaring statement, Hillary has five facts and three solutions out, and she is already answering questions of the people who come to see her. It's just .... different.

I hang around with more than a few old farts with advanced degrees, MAs/PhDs/JDs--they all like Clinton. I can understand, though, why those who don't want or have time to listen to "oratory" would like her too.

She says what she means and gets down to letting her audience have input. That give-and-take is particpatory and reinforces the idea that she has their needs at the forefront.

[babylonsister]

16. Your enthusiasm for your candidate is laudable. I don't share it. nt

[NMMNG]

17. Well said

I was at an HRC rally and that's exactly what it was like. Plans, solutions and facts, not pretty words with no content. If I want to inspiration, beautiful words and platitudes I'll go to church or a poetry reading.

[aquart]

23. I have an MFA from Columbia. Am I educated enough?

Still support Hillary Clinton and not the YES WE CAN slogan god.

[Trillo]

6. oh yeah,

'cause the only reason people make $50K or less is cause they're ignorant.

/sarcasm

[Skittles]

9. you know my post was sarcasm, right?

exactly: that's the same gist I received from the post :o

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. What about educated Americans who make less than $50,000?

Where's that leave us?

I need to know who my demographic is supposed to support.

[Trillo]

7. I see you and I have the same idea. nt

[babylonsister]

8. Great question, and I don't know. I'm not working, so I'm just asking. nt

[susankh4]

21. In fact....

Many very educated people make less than 50,000. Artists. Philosophers. Nurses. People who tend to think for themselves..... and have a penchant for altruism.

The high earning "educateds"... let's see ..... business, engineering, lawyers....

[Manifestor_of_Light]

24. Non high earning educated here.

Long time unemployed, have a law degree, as well as a bachelor's in pre-med, and an associates vocational degree.

Job? Huh? Stopped looking because it was like banging my head against the wall.

[sandnsea]

10. Women make less than men

According to the chart here, even women with masters don't average over $50,000. So if the majority of women earn less than $50,000, and women are voting for Hillary, then those could well be statistics reflecting the same voters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States#Over_time_-_by_Race_.26_Sex

[aquart]

19. But women have been going over to Obama.

And salaries have not improved.

[JanusAscending]

13. Well Sister,

I think it's because the lower, or middle income folks with less education, are having to work 4 jobs per family to make ends meet. They DON'T HAVE TIME to pay attention to politics. They are SOOOOOOOOOO turned off by our politician's, they don't give a rat's ass! Now as for me, I'm an enigma !! I'm a woman, I'm elderly, and I only make $14,500 a year, and I'm not for Hillary. I was around to vote for JFK as my first voting experience. I saw and heard him in person. I haven't heard anyone with the charisma, plus the oratory gift that Barack has, since. I have benefited from having had a Dad in politics, and was raised a STAUNCH Democrat. I am retired and have all the time in the world to be involved, so I AM paying attention. I wish my 7 kids were, but they are too "busy". Now my Grandchildren........that's another story. Those that are old enough to vote this year are all Obama supporters! So it just go's to show you, we have a new generation, hungering for something better than we've had. They want to TURN THE PAGE!!! Love ya, DC

[babylonsister]

15. I'm right there with you, discerning christian. I don't know about

turned off so much as too busy. My d-i-l has 3 kids she's raising under the age of 9 (2 under the age of 5), my stepson is in a wheelchair at the age of 36 for lack of stem cell research. :grr:

My dad is a staunch Dem, but we can't talk about politics anymore because he doesn't like Obama but loves Clinton (Bill). :shrug:

I long to turn that page! Dad will get over it! :hug:

And... GOBAMA!

[aquart]

18. Maybe Obama reeks of privilege.

Private school in paradise, then straight to the Ivy League. Then he becomes a "community organizer." Well, that's great. He walks into dark communities AS THE MAN IN CHARGE. He's bringing the light. But he was never a day on the bottom. He always walked on top. Name a minute that someone didn't tell him he was SPECIAL and actually mean it?

Maybe some of us sense an entitlement oozing out of him.

But what makes me worry...what knots my guts...is that I know he's angry and he's a liar. He only gives the anger permission when he's had a humongous victory...and then the snide comes out. He's extremely controlled and disciplined...but I saw it. And I know he's a liar because I wouldn't have believed that house story when I was 12. But he won't be indicted on it, and Rezko will be too busy with jail to collect any favors for quite a while, so it's a non-issue for the campaign. He'll be fine with it. His fans have already completely excused it and believed him.

But I don't. He likes the adulation. But the anger is there, and I don't want to see what happens when he has all the power in the world and somebody tells him NO.

[Buve]

20. amen bro

You see it and the national media has obamamania.... the only people who are going to call this out is the republicans in the general.


If he wins the nomination get ready to find something to dull your brain during the first 4 years of the McCain administration.

[aquart]

22. No, honey. He'll become president.

Nobody is voting Republican this year. Electability has never been the issue. What kind of president is the issue. I want the woman wonk. Not the god.