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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:38 PM
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Could the reason that Dean inspires such loyalty from his supporters
be that he is supportive of them? Does Dean understand that loyalty is at least a 2-way street?

I certainly feel that I'm a partner with the Dean Campaign via my donations, work to get his name out, and convincing undecided voters to support Dean. I look forward to hearing him speak and reading about his large rallies in other states. I also love it when Trippi challenges us to beat Cheney and then uses that money to create ads to air in Texas. I feel that in my small way, I've helped make those successes possible.
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bspence Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:43 PM
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1. He is great
...but I actually wish there was more from the man at his website. I expected his weblog to be from him, not some campaign groupies.

I went to a MeetUp here in Alexandria, VA, and it was great. I'd never been to a political rally before, so he must be doing something right. The above is just meant as constructive criticism.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:47 PM
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2. Welcome to DU!
And put Saturday Aug 23 on your calendar, that is when Dean is coming to Falls Church to speak. I hope to see other DUers there.

Nancy :hi:
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:47 PM
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3. Sleepless Summer
With all Dean has to do, I am more than willing to accept that the blog isn't directly from him.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:44 PM
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11. I've seen him post there.
About once a week, I'd guess. My theory is that since he's caught fire, his time is really pressed. He looked really tired last night.

Still impressive though: his campaign aides often drop-in and respond to posts. This is a guess, but with this campaign's impressive record of communication, I'm almost sure that our ideas are getting through to him. (I noticed last week that - in response to bloggers' worried comments about his diet - he's cut-back on his consumption of Krisp-y Kremes, lol).

:donut:
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:52 PM
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4. The blind following the blind
Maybe these people really do oppose civil liberties, like dumping toxic nuclear waste where it can leak into Calif's water supply and contaminate lots of states along the way, executing innocent people, streaminlining convictions so the innocent don't stand a chance,taxing the middle class and letting the rich off the hook and supporting a budget with health care cuts that make health care a joke. Maybe they want to belive in him so hard that they don't want to see what he stands for. Who knows. It is a little scarey to see people supporting someone who could do some much harm.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:54 PM
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5. or maybe...
we don't like liars who call themselves "genius" calling us blind?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:10 PM
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6. Because He Is The Kwizatz Haderach?
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:20 PM
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8. Howard Muad'Eenb
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:25 PM
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9. Does that make Kerry Baron Vladimir Harkonnen?
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msanger Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:27 PM
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10. No. It makes bush whatever that name was.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-03 02:28 PM by msanger
Why don't people remember that bush is our real opponent, not the other democrats?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:47 PM
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13. So the primary candidates aren't in opposition to each other?
I did not know that.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:48 PM
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14. Hear hear.
I'm very close to dropping DU for a while, or at least avoiding Politics and Campaigns.

I really don't mind good debates, but the kind of stuff I've been seeing here more and more are neither "good" nor "debates".
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:20 PM
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7. Dean insprires loyalty
...because he's appealing directly to us, not to corporate donors through the DLC. He's not beholden to either group, at least not obviously so.

It's high time the DNC discovers the power of grassroots organizing, and how the DLC way of telling volunteers to drop a check and then buzz off has turned the base off almost as much as their GOP-lite platform.

Dean may not be unstoppable, but his candidacy will certainly have an effect on the old dinosaurs in the party.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:45 PM
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12. We are getting so many Dean threads here...
Edited on Tue Aug-12-03 02:46 PM by Desertrose
I am wondering why so darn many Dean posts...like you need to keep talking about him, patting yourselves on the back & pumping yourselves up with "Deanenergy".....
....this just makes me wonder....a lot ...about what is really going on with supporters who get rather fanatical about their candidate...


and please...what about DENNIS KUCINICH who takes NO corporate money at all??? You want a real change from the DLC...??? well, Dean is not your best choice then....

There are other candidates...Dean is not the chosen one in spite of what the supporters think....

I'm not bashing your candidate...just seems a bit over the top to me how his supporters come out swinging at the least little thing...not to mention how they seem to miss the bigger things altogether...
:shrug:

Peace
DR

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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:58 PM
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15. If you look closely
most of those are anti-Dean threads, and many of them were from a single poster (won't name names). If there were as many threads about the other candidates as about Dean, GD and the Politics forums would be full up by now...and maybe we would really learn something of the others...
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 07:37 PM
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16. These are responses
To legitimate threads with magazine articles. They get mad becasue there are no real sources outside of Dean For America, that praise any of Deans accomplishemnts in Vermont.

No progressive or liberal media has anything good to say about him.

So when they see articles about Dena from liberals/progressives like Alex Cockburn about Dena like this:

Alexander Cockburn
Creators Syndicate

Anybody but Bush? Watch out, Dems!
Let's aim higher than pro-death penalty, pro-drug war Dean

Take Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont. Right now, he's enjoying a boomlet. Across this great land, ambitious Democrats are hopping from foot to foot in an agony of indecision. Kerry, Graham, Dean, Gephardt: Which way to jump? Dean! Clinton without the satyriasis, Carter without the Baptist sanctimony; a simple country doctor (albeit with Dean and Witter armorial bearings) who ran Vermont through the Nineties, and who, somewhere in the mid to late 90s, began to set his compass for the White House. Progressive, but not radical; against the war, but no peacenik.

I'm a realist. I know that anyone hoping to win the Democratic nomination has to achieve acts of political prestidigitation equivalent to, though harder than, guiding a herd of rampaging Gadarene swine through the eye of a needle. No matter that a candidate might have the idealism of William Morris, the conscience of Philip Berrigan, the moral clarity of Robespierre or Ralph Nader, he'd still have to act as ruthless swineherd. I know that. But I'll confess it. The more I look at Dean, the less I like him.

The death penalty? Yes, Dean evolved into a pro-death penalty position just when he was debating a White House run. For heinous crimes like killing kids or cops. Now, with his eye on the primary in South Carolina, he's added "terrorists" to those into whose arms he would stick the needle. Isn't that the posture of Ashcroft or of W. Bush, who signed more death warrants than any other governor in U.S. history? It is, but be reassured by the Dean campaign. In a Dean administration, those consigned to Death Row will know, even as the needle starts pumping the poison into their veins, that President Dean went that last half mile to ensure fairness.

Medical marijuana? Is the Democratic candidate wholly owned by the pharmaceutical companies, the blue-nose lobby? Dean says, "My opposition to medical marijuana is based on science, not based on ideology." Oh, yeah. Dean's opposition is based on 200 percent proof political calculation. He looked in the crystal ball and decided he didn't want to be pilloried by Tim Russert and the other telly-pundits as a friend of the herb, so Gov. Dean headed off a really good medical marijuana law making its way through Vermont's lower house, the same way he headed off a pioneering health initiative in Vermont. Recently, he called Gephardt's health proposal "pie-in-the-sky radical revamping." He was gung-ho for welfare "reform," which he has called an "incredibly positive force." He's a "fiscal conservative," which is kiddy code for serf of capital.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=15211

Dean supporters then flood DU with their own personal opinions about Dean, touting them as the only truth, and attacking all who dare question Holy Howard (Sancte Howard ora pro nobis), then develop some kind of political tourettes syndrome and start wailing and cursing and attacking anyone who does not support the Doctor.
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