Is Obama even more Dangerous than Bush?

[Crewleader]

by Doug Page / April 6th, 2009


Sixty-nine Million of us voted for President Obama because he promised hope and change from the disasters of the Bush Administration. Countless millions of human beings around the planet joined us in our relief and our elation when he was elected. An unthinking uncritical “Obamamania” among most of his supporters continues to prevail so far. This is dangerous for them, for President Obama and for all of us. Without critical analysis and pressure from his millions of supporters, Obama will stumble into disaster.

We have carefully watched the new President’s first 100 days and we are appalled. We find that Obama has continued Bush policies affecting the abuses of Wall Street banks, and allowing Wall Street wrongdoers to manage our economy and the “recovery.”

Forget the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, the prosecution of Eliot Spitzer for his sexual indiscretion, and Bernard Madoff’s little Ponzi-scheme. What about prosecuting those bankers who profited from the most massive fraudulent swindle in human history?

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/is-obama-even-more-dangerous-than-bush/

[TwilightGardener]

1. Drivel.

[Tarc]

2. The Concern Trolls are up early today

[CJCRANE]

3. Unrecommend.

[On the Road]

4. The Site is Called "Dissident Voice"

Being a dissident is their identity. So this reaction should be no surprise.

[Redbear]

9. Have any of the fraudsters at the big banks been held criminally accountable yet?

Is it because what they did was technically legal?

or what other reason?

[On the Road]

18. Hey --

are you associated with that site?

:hi:

It is certainly true that none of the executives of the largest banks have been indicted yet. Yes, it may indeed have something to do with the fact that while they made reckless decisions, they do not seem to have committed any crimes.

To the extent there were illegal activities going on, such as accounting violations, the wheels of justice move slowly. Executives do get indicted for these things:

Bernie Ebbers of MCI/WorldCom
Sanjay Kumar of CAI
13 executives of KMPG

[Redbear]

26. I had never heard of the site. I was just wondering if there were

on going criminal investigations that maybe haven't been publicized or is it simply the fact that what these horrible folks did was actually within the law.

[AndyA]

5. Yes, by all means let's judge Obama's entire Presidency by these first few months.

What a huge bag of shit Bush handed to him. What other President has had to deal with so many urgent issues virtually from the second they took office?

Two wars.

An economy on the skids.

Huge unemployment.

Incredible deficit numbers.

A huge disparity between the classes.

8 years of lies, spying, torture, and cronyism.

And the list just goes on and on...

Think for a moment how things could have been had Obama followed Clinton into office. Would we likely be much better off today than we are? There's little doubt we wouldn't, in my opinion.

If anything, we need to give Obama more time to prove his abilities. He has a huge mess to deal with, and because of the financial issues, he doesn't have the money most Presidents would have to deal with these issues.

And, we don't know everything that he knows. There's a place and a time for everything. There's a lot more to come, it will just take time.

[drm604]

6. unthinking uncritical “Obamamania”

I'm am getting so sick of this straw man.

[sharp_stick]

12. Exactly who are you replying to?

I can't figure out if you are responding to the OP or just spouting an off topic line? Also, do you know what a strawman is? One has to have been set up to exist and I don't see it in the OP.

[drm604]

19. I was replying to the OP.

I thought that was obvious.

Yes, I do know what a straw man is. I wouldn't use a term if I had no idea what it meant.

The straw man I was referring to was "unthinking uncritical Obamamania" which I referenced in my subject line.

Any other questions?

[sharp_stick]

20. Sorry, I misread... It's Monday n/t

[drm604]

21. No problem.

To be honest, I mistakenly saw your reply to my post as having a hostile tone. I see now that I was wrong. My response to your response may have been more hostile than necessary. I apologize for that.
:hi:

[SCantiGOP]

7. too bad

if you had a time machine you could go back and vote for McCain and Palin, then everything would be just fine.

[liberal N proud]

8. From reading that article does one believe that Doug Page

actually voted for Obama? I wonder if he is part of us 69 million.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Only in the diseased minds of ihateobama people.

[Kahuna]

15. And PUMAS...

:eyes:

[Ikonoklast]

11. Doug Page makes the mistake of assuming what they did was illegal.

I'm fairly certain that there will be fraudulent activity uncovered, and maybe some of the CDS deals skirted a grey area, but having wholesale arrests for crimes that may not be is seeking punishment, not justice.

[Cant trust em]

16. I wonder about that too

It seems like Congress enabled a lot of these deals to be done. Investment bankers are pushing the envelopes of what was allowed. It's like they broke a moral and ethical boundary, but possibly not a legal one.

[kestrel91316]

13. Welcome to my brand new, reactivated Ignore list.

[azmouse]

14. ...

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Worried about the Wall Street friendly administration continuing Bushco

policies?

Get your congressman to re-introduce Glass Steagle. Obama's trying to fix the problems (largely created by the repeal of the Glass Steagle Act) with the tools at hand.

Don't like it? Give him some different tools.

[pacalo]

22. Not just "no"

Hell, no!

[Pr0SEAL]

23. Watch how many of you eat your own words and foam at the mouth

by the time his first and last (might I add) term is up...

When will people understand that the parties are an illusion of security for the American people. Keeping us occupied over trivial crap, on whether to (for example on Stem Cell Research) Bush - Ban it, Obama - Subsidize it. Right vs Left parody.

Forget the fact we as Individuals can solve these problems for ourselves without the Government dictatorship...

Obama's entire team consists of Wall Street, that is change you can believe in and every broken promise from bring the troops home to ending the war on drugs.

[wuvuj]

28. Icing on a fascist cake?

An American goes to dinner...


How was your dinner sir?

Just fine...thank you. Splendid.

Would you like to try our desert of the day?

Could you say what it is?

Yes sir....for your dining pleasure....the chef has made a nice fascist cake with a delicious "democracy" icing.

...more quietly..............I personally don't want to mention what's in the cake...the chef asks us not to. He says that our patrons just don't need to know..... Sir....I really don't think you want any of this....I've seen some pretty poor ingredients going into it....you really don't want to know....it's some bad stuff....

...louder................but the icing is really wonderful. Light...creamy...and with just a hint of tropical & exotic fruits...like banana...orange...pomegranate and so forth.

Well...I've been hearing about this cake ever since I was a kid in school! Sounds really good. I'll have a slice. Some for the wife too.

As you say sir...sigh....I'll send it out......

[Pr0SEAL]

29. Oh really?

The day people understand the difference between Fascism and Libertarianism is the day they have a brain.

Fascism, Communism, Socialism all leads to Totalitarianism..which is slavery which is Democracy.

There is no left right scale, its circle with 0% Government on the top right next to 100%... because moments flash a mob rule could make a dictatorship.

That is why I defend the Republic, not a Democracy. Limited Majority, with a Protected Minority.

[wuvuj]

30. Have some cake...sir....

[Pr0SEAL]

31. No thanks... n/t

[sendero]

24. I'm very unhappy with some of Obama's decisions...

... but let's get serious, Obama is no where near the malignant moron that was Bush.

Obama's biggest problems to solve were CREATED by the DictatorTot.

[dreamnightwind]

27. OK, let's get serious

Well, actually, a similar case would be Bush I and Bill Clinton. Some say that Clinton did the most harm. He was a trojan horse for some incredibly damaging policies. So-called Free Trade. So-called welfare reform. So-called banking reform. Permanent most-favored-nation status for China. Since so many on the left saw him as an ally, he was able to do things the right (Bush I) had not previously been able to accomplish.

I haven't read the article the OP quotes, but I've read the comments in this thread and the OP and it appears to me that it's talking about just such a possibility, where a popular Obama could allow the powers-that-be to achieve more of their agenda than a more obvious enemy of the people such as Dubya was able to pull off.

I'm not taking a position on this, just pointing out that it's a credible possibility, and one we'd be fools to ignore.

[Crewleader]

25. First time reading Doug Page

and as a big fan of Mike Whitney as he mentioned in this piece with others that I like, with the recent interview with Bill Moyer and William K. Black as he wrote about and I recently saw on April 3rd.

Here is the transcript for those that may have missed it.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/transcript1.html?