Outsourcing also killing future jobs

Nationally, there is a similar trend. The Computing Research Association's annual survey of more than 200 universities in the United States and Canada found that undergraduate enrollments in computer science and computer engineering programs were down 23 percent this year.

The outsourcing trend, Mr. Notowidigdo explained, "factors into my thinking about what I want to pursue as a career."

His current path as a technologically adept investment banker, he decided, gives him "a broader set of skills and is less risky than software

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/01/technology/01bill.html

[Sugarbleus]

1. I sure hope some body can

Stem the current "bloodletting" before it's too late.

Perhaps universities and degreed programs can start interesting people in new technologies like alternative energy and fuel sources.

We still need more scientists for most fields.

My other hope is that we bring back real manufacturing positions for those who do not have the aptitude nor inclination to go to university. I'd like to be able to buy a product made here so that when it breaks down, I can get it fixed HERE, AND employ my grandkids so they can pay taxes to fill the "coffers", so that we can have full services like police, firemen, new highway construction, and so my kids can buy a house someday. Seems simple to me.

[number6]

2. yes, "Outsourcing also killing future jobs"

"200 universities in the United States and Canada found that undergraduate enrollments in computer science and computer engineering programs were down 23 percent this year."

the future in the Bush empire, no more technical jobs
in North America :(

[brokensymmetry]

3. Not just no more jobs -

No more ability to make the discoveries to make new jobs.

Take a look at the faculty of most major research universities.
You'll find a lot of them come into the US on H1-B visas. And
look at the student body - lots of foreign students, and not a
whole lot of US students.

The scientists needed to discover alternative energy and
everything else are NOT going to be US citizens. They
probably won't stay in the US because we won't even
employ them here. Those discoveries will occur elsewhere.

We are letting the Enronites consume our seed corn.

[amandabeech]

4. Do foreign students and their families pay

their educational costs as undergrads? Or do their countries pay for them?

If their countries are paying for them, they don't have to go heavily into debt. Thus graduate school may look better to those who might be academically inclined. Do their countries also subsidize them in grad school, or do they get by on TA stipends, grants, etc.?

Are we making it at least reasonably financially viable for talented U.S. undergrads to enter and complete Ph.D. programs in the sciences?

Just curious.

Amanda

[brokensymmetry]

5. Since you ask...

My understanding is that, in most instances, the grad students (undergrad too, for that matter) pay tuition, and they generally are not subsidized by their governments.

For state universities, out of state tuitions may be as much as three times what it would be for residents of the state, so a real incentive
exists for the university to recruit as many foreign students as possible. From a cost perspective, the foreign students pay more.

Once they get admitted, they tend to be rather diligent in looking for financial add, TA stipends and so forth - frankly, more diligent than most US students - and so they wind up getting some aid. They generally live simply, and often share apartments to keep their costs down.

The problem is...much as I hate to say this...the foreign students are, by and large, harder working than our US students.

[amandabeech]

6. Thanks for the info

I went to a large state university, so I'm aware of the differential between in-state and out-of-state tuition. I believe that some state universities have either an informal or legislated cap on the percentage of out-of-state students they admit, or they did in my day. It was not the same for graduate students, however.

I am sad to read your report that the foreign students work harder than the U.S.-born types. I wonder if the current economic hardships and uncertainty in the U.S. will result in more motivated U.S. students.

Amanda