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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 10:38 AM Original message |
'Wind power beats nuclear', says AD (Netherlands) |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Except when there's no wind. nt |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. onshore wind turbines operate 60-80% of the time - and offshore winds are more reliable |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. If that means a couple of days without power - any time - they are useless |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. That's the day to go down to the river and beat your clothes on a rock |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Personally I would love that kind of world |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. And nuclear plants require refueling (several weeks of downtime) and can trip at any moment |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. So much for the cheap alternative |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. and I forgot wave power - the other of the "three sisters" of Dutch marine renewables |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. The more power sources the better--single solutions are so old paradigm. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. If the sources are not viable they are not a solution |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. New sodium-sulfur (NaS) batteries make wind power more reliable |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. That's one to watch |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Don't worry |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Technology...amazing |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. Now, if they maneuver a broken-off chunk of Antarctica in front of it ... |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. But there usually is in certain places |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
5. kick |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
12. I don't understand the comments here. Can't we get "most" of our power |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yes, we certainly can |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Every day in the US, enough wind blows to power the world |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. When you convert all that sun to electricity you let us know |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Gee, you are right, some days, there is no wind in the US. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Actual industry numbers from a nationwide wind power grid? |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Asking for something that doesnt exist. cute debate technique. ANd now back to our program.... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Thanks for the link -- very informative |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Installed *capacity* is about 75 GWe |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. One angle which IMO has been underinvestigated |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That would be kinda heavy |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. The pitch of the blades would be computer-controlled |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Fall-off in power |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Did you go to the wrong link, of the 2 links ? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You seem to have the wrong definition of "base load" |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. If you build 1 GW of wind turbines, you may get 1/2 GW of base. Consistantly. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. That's stretching the definition of "base power"... |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. If 0ne TW of turbines can consistantly provide .3 TW electricity to the grid |
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razzleberry (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. non-FIRM power, more importand distinction than base/peak |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Correctamundo |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Yeah, good on ya, though some think the wind just stops on some days |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 02:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Hmmm. |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. In 2007 the grid is in sad shape, but then there isnt that much wind Watts anyway |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Ah, my mistake. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. That is good to know. |
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losthills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
25. Wind, Sun, and Waves... |
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