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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:55 PM
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Negative CO2 Emissions needed now to Save Planet
The latest scientific findings have dramatically superseded the 2007 IPCC Report warnings of severe problems in the developing world already and dire global consequences in future decades. The time frame has been dramatically reduced. Thus the top US climate scientist Dr James Hansen says that the “tipping point” for the melting of Arctic ice has already been reached at 385 ppm atmospheric CO2 and it is apparent that the present atmospheric CO2 is sufficient to completely remove summer-time Arctic sea ice (some scientists say this may be completely gone by 2013). However most alarming is the potential instability of large ice sheets, especially those of West Antarctica and Greenland.

According to Dr Hansen, in calling for an immediate moratorium on coal power, “If disintegration of these ice sheets passes their tipping points, dynamical collapse could proceed out of our control. If it melts completely, West Antarctica alone contains enough water to cause about 20 feet (6 meters) of sea-level rise. There are also tipping points in life systems. Today, as global temperature increases at a rate of about 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.36 degrees Fahrenheit) per decade, isotherms (a line of average temperature) are moving poleward at a rate of about 50-60 kilometers (35 miles) per decade. In response, some species are moving.”

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On Saturday February 9, 2008 I attended a Climate Convergence Conference in Melbourne of about 200 people from a variety of Climate Action Groups, This Climate Conference involved a series of talks from activists, workshops, audience participation (I wasn’t an official speaker but got a good response from standing up and telling them all about the mounting Third World Global Avoidable Mortality Holocaust due to rising food prices) and the launch of an excellent, must-read, Friends of the Earth-sponsored book entitled “Climate Code Red – the Case for a Sustainability Emergency” by David Spratt (from Carbon Equity) and Philip Sutton (Greenleap Strategic Institute). The essence of “Climate Code Red” ( it can be downloaded: http://www.climatecodered.net/ ) is that the World is facing a Climate Emergency and a Sustainability Emergency because we have passed crucial atmospheric CO2 “tipping points”, “Climate Code red” further declares that, as demanded by Dr James Hansen, we need not “CO2 emissions reduction targets” or “zero CO2 emissions” but NEGATIVE CO2 EMISSIONS to return the Planet to a safe, sustainable 300-350 ppm CO2.

At this Melbourne Climate Convergence meeting various activist groups decided to form a Climate Emergency Coalition to urgently spread the message and to lobby for a Declaration of a State of Emergency in Australia and the World to meet the Sustainability Emergency. As Dr Hansen has said (see above), we urgently need a lowering of atmospheric CO2 to about 300-350 ppm and a major step nowmust be an immediate moratorium on coal power - we must keep fossil fuels in the ground to save Humanity and the Biosphere.

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/20133/42

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:59 PM
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1. Too late to save the planet.
Overpopulation and human apathy have doomed our planet.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:25 AM
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2. The planet will be fine
It's the humans that will need saving.

Sadly, I don't think that salvation will happen.

--p!
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:40 AM
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3. K & R -- this is absolutely crucial -- mass progressive activism needed on this
PEOPLE -- this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:19 AM
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4. another kick -- I might try to c/c this on GENERAL DISCUSSION as it's crucial more people see it
nt
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:23 AM
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5. We're already aware that it's very very important.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:53 PM
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16. Gee, this is the FIRST post on DU about NET NEGATIVE emissions I've seen!
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:56 PM
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17. It's not the first we've had here in E/E.
The subject comes up every so often. It's a useful observation, as an indication of how profoundly fucked we are. It simply isn't going to happen. We are in checkmate.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:28 AM
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6. If we really need net negative CO2 emissions (and we do), we're hooped.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:29 AM by GliderGuider
Reductions in atmospheric concentration will never happen as long as there are more than half a billion human beings tying to live technologically facilitated lives.

I predict we will soon be hearing a lot more about the virtues of "adapting to change".
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:51 AM
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8. Constitutions of granite can't save the planet, what's to become of us?
(once again, phantom power satisfies his jones for posting Tragically Hip lyrics)
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:13 PM
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10. Adapting to change is the key
All we need to do is learn to breath CO2, and all will be well.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:16 PM
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11. There you go!
See how much easier it is to come up with solutions when you think positively?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:17 PM
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12. If the bluegreen algae learned it, why can't we?
I wonder if it's a coincidence that the blue-green algae were one of the other species to transform the atmosphere and cause a mass-extinction?
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:31 PM
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20. Yeah, but they're way smarter than us


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cedric Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:02 PM
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18. A lot already are
Having just completed my dissertation on urban planning and climate change in the UK those planners who are working on climate change are already advocating adaptation in addition to mitigation. It just takes time for the message to get across. Sadly we don't have time.

http://www.espace-project.org/index.htm

http://www.climatesoutheast.org.uk/
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:41 AM
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7. turn off the lights
when leaving the room, unplug the computer and appliances when not using

get energy saving bulbs

take public transportation at least once a week and stop unnecessary driving

turn down the thermostat

write your representatives to fight coal plants

stop buying goods from china until they stop putting coal plants on line

etc....


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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:52 AM
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9. I hope this doesn't come across as harsh, because a lot of people are just discovering the problem
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:03 PM by GliderGuider
The actions you list, while virtuous and worth doing, won't result in net negative CO2 emissions (i.e. re-absorption of atmospheric CO2 into some sequestered form). Everyone in the entire world could cut their carbon emissions by 90% and it wouldn't achieve that goal. To accomplish that we would have to stop all human activity related to any technology whatsoever, and have each person then plant a thousand trees.

This requirement is impossible to fulfill through voluntary human action.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:21 PM
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13. I just had a discussion with someone I mistakenly thought was intelligent.
When discussing compact fluorescents, he couldn't see how "a light bulb could make any difference". Even when I told him how my utility bill has actually gone for the last two years since making small changes, he wasn't convinced.

It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:26 PM
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14. and the chances of that happening are exactly zero and none . . .
the planet will survive quite nicely, thank you very much, just as she's done since the dawn of time . . . parasitic species which are attempting to destroy her will not, however . . . and, unfortunately, we'll take a lot of other species with us . . .

but the planet? . . . she'll be around for a long, long time . . . and a lot healthier after she's expelled those fouling her land, water, and air . . .
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:38 PM
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15. Gotta quote Carlin: "The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked."
"The planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE. We're going away. Pack your shit, folks. We're going away".
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:56 PM
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19. dems' plan is not radical enough
we need to demonstrate global leadership.....show we're willing to make some sacrifices to save bio diversity

re-program out citizenry to stop our wasteful ways....stop hyper consumption, resource-guzzling behaviors, stop all new coal plants.....fund think tanks to find new methods of carbon secuestration, etc.....boycott nations that keep putting dirty coal plants on-line (china, e.g.)

but---the dem's plan is not enuf:


110th Congress, 1st Session
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
AS INTRODUCED IN THE SENATE

CLIMATE STEWARDSHIP AND INNOVATION ACT OF 2007

S. 280

2007 S. 280; 110 S. 280

Retrieve Bill Tracking Report

SYNOPSIS:
A bill to provide for a program to accelerate the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States by establishing a market-driven system of greenhouse gas tradeable allowances, to support the deployment of new climate change-related technologies, and to ensure benefits to consumers from the trading in such allowances, and for other purposes

DATE OF INTRODUCTION: January 12, 2007

SPONSOR(S):
Sponsor and Cosponsors as of 01/12/2007
Lieberman, Joseph (I-CT) - Sponsor
Obama, Barack (D-IL) - Cosponsor
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