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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:38 PM
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After inauguration, one of Reagan's first acts of business
was to remove the solar panels installed by Jimmy Carter. I guess he didn't want any free energy flowing into the building.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:46 PM
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1. God, I'd forgotten that. nt
Did the Clintons replace them? I hope?
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:52 PM
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2. No, but guess who did?
Special Editor's Note from the EcoMall: In 1980, the Reagan administration removed perfectly good, working solar thermal panels from the White House (these same solar collectors are still working at Unity College in Unity, Maine). The EcoMall spearheaded the Proposal to Solarize the White House, forming "The Solar Campaign" with other solar energy advocates, and posted an alert at our site asking our visitors to e-mail The White House urging them to use renewable energy technologies on the White House grounds. We are happy to report that 23 years after the previous solar panels were removed, two solar thermal systems and a 9 kW photovoltaic (PV) solar electricity system have returned to the White House.

Since September 2002, a grid of 167 solar panels on the roof of a maintenance shed has been delivering electricity to the White House grounds. Another solar installation has been helping to provide hot water. Yet another has been heating the water in the presidential pool.(snip)

It was actually the National Park Service's decision to utilize a solar energy system on the White House grounds, similar to other solar installations made by the Park Service throughout the country. The Park Service, which is responsible for the building, had already mandated that any refurbishments of its facilities should incorporate environmentally-friendly design whenever possible.



http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/solarwhitehouse.htm
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:55 PM
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3. Bush's first act was to sign the Global Gag Order which cut off
US funding for International Planned Parenthood opening the door to the spread of AIDS in the 3rd world countries.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:57 PM
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4. No.
FWIW: They were thermal panels.

Ironically, new solar panels were installed following the Clinton administration.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE3D7153CF934A15751C0A9659C8B63
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:29 PM
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6. Well, as long as SOMEBODY is doing something.
What one earth could Reagan have used as a 'good excuse' to remove them? What a putz.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:09 PM
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7. It would seem that the most likely "excuse"
is that the solar panels installed were "solar thermal", as has been mentioned on this thread, and not photovoltaic. Solar thermal is passive, using the sun to heat water. The panels Carter installed were not in a good location and eventually sprung a leak. These panels were removed when the roof was being replaced and donated to Unity College.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/definitions/solar-panels

While it's probably more fun to blame Reagan for the removal, it appears unlikely that he personally had anything to do with it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:38 PM
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8. Thanks for the explanation -
and although I saw the distinction being made about solar thermal panels, I don't understand the difference.

Okay, I'll let Reagan slide on this one - but just this once.

Thanks! :hi:
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:09 PM
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10. Photovoltaic panels produce electricity,
Solar Thermal produces hot water.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:07 PM
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5. FWIW: Carter's panels were solar thermal
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:59 PM
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9. You mean the "solar will save us" idea is 30 years old?
Who knew?

We're still waiting for our first exajoule. I have heard in such a way as to believe that people actually believe it that the entire cause everywhere on the planet for the failure of solar electricity to produce a single exajoule of energy is a calendar year anywhere on the planet - this would include Botswana, Brunei, Iran, Turkmenistan, and Paraguay and um, Germany and Japan - is all Ronald Reagan's and Dick Cheney's fault.

I like Jimmy Carter, but in fact his energy program consisted largely of kissing up to the Shah of Iran and talking the Fischer Tropsch talk. If, in fact, the latter had happened there would have been hell to pay. The consequences of the former is now well understood.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:28 AM
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15. It's a 30 YO idea that republicans and shills for the nuclear industry killed 30 years ago
BTW 240 GW of global renewable energy capacity produced ex-o-jewels (plural) of energy last year.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:27 PM
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18. Slam-dunk, jpak!!!!!
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Carmenzabono Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:19 PM
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11. I never liked Ronald Reagan
Hated his foreign policy, environment policies, everything.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:13 PM
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12. Wonderful, brilliant post! Right on message.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:28 PM
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19. If you're a fan of "Saint Ronnie", why are you here?
Just curious.......
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:32 PM
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20. Check the guy's profile, I've run into him before.
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 01:56 PM by ben_meyers
Just my way of saying "enjoy your stay".

Or did you need that sarcasm thingy?
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:18 AM
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13. Where are they now?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:32 AM
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16. Unity College recently retired those panels, but still have them for display
They had one at their exhibit at the Common Ground Country Fair in Maine last fall - my niece was quite impressed with their history...
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:43 AM
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17. Sounds like at least some of them are not
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 09:46 AM by OKIsItJustMe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=136134&mesg_id=136257


http://www.unity.edu/envresources/sustainability/carter.aspx
...

We would like to retire these panels from active use and instead preserve them as historical artifacts. We would also like to use them to raise money to support our undergraduate environmental degree programs and to purchase replacement renewable power systems in wind, modern solar photovoltaic, and modern solar heating. We have education programs in all these areas, and a much larger college-wide program in sustainability led by our Interim President Dr. Mark Lapping. Unity College now purchases only renewable electricity and has a program to reduce campus energy use overall. With recent improvements in marketing and technology for renewable energy, the Jimmy Carter panels are no longer capable of contributing to energy efficiency on campus, but they are capable of continuing to provide education, memory, and inspiration both here and elsewhere in the nation.

We propose to provide at least one panel, set up as a display with historical information, to the Smithsonian Institution; and others similarly set up, to the Carter Center or Carter Library. We would keep one for ourselves in an outdoor display. Others could be distributed to other important centers for sustainability and energy education, given as gifts to major donors, or sold to collectors to raise money for student projects.

...
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:25 AM
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14. The truth(?) about the panels
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 09:42 AM by OKIsItJustMe
http://ewweb.com/greenbiz/electric_growing_toward_sun/
...

How They've Grown

The Mizanys started out in the late 1970s with backgrounds in science and education and a desire to start a business of some sort. They were remodeling an old house in San Rafael, and took a tour of homes that used solar heating systems.

“I looked at these systems and decided, ‘I can do that in my house, and that's not a bad way of getting into business,’” Anoosh Mizany recalls.

He included a solar space heater in the home addition he was building, and quickly other teachers, friends and family became interested in having something similar for their homes. Seeing the glimmer of opportunity, Mizany decided to invest in some components and begin supplying systems out of their house. (The company was originally named Solar Center, but an installer also using that name asked them to change it and offered to pay for the new stationery and signage, as well as buying supplies from them. “We decided that Solar Depot was a better name for what we did anyway, and this was before Home Depot or Office Depot existed,” Mizany says.) By the end of the first year, the company had turned a profit and moved into a 3,000-square-foot commercial space with a 300-square-foot office in San Rafael. Since that time, the company has grown to be one of the largest distributors and systems integrators of photovoltaic equipment in California, with a 25,000-square-foot headquarters in Petaluma and full-service branches in Sacramento and Corona.

Solar Depot originally concentrated on the solar thermal market, selling products for residential heating systems and expanding into solar pool heaters and related products.
That core business was enough to grow on until 1985, when President Ronald Reagan had the solar water heaters on the roof of the White House removed. They had been installed by Jimmy Carter during the energy crisis of the 1970s, and had begun to leak. Reagan, who had recently won a second term in office, used the moment to convey the message that the time of scarcity was past. Reagan also eliminated the federal tax credits for installing solar thermal systems, and the market for them collapsed.

...


http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/newsreleases/2007/07-18.pdf

Jimmy Carter Library & Museum News Release

441 Freedom Parkway, Atlanta, GA 30307-1498
404-865-7100

For Immediate Release
Date: March 27, 2007
Contact: Tony Clark, 404-865-7109
Tony.Clark@NARA.gov
Release: NEWS07-18

White House Solar Panel Goes on Display at Carter Library

1979 Effort to Encourage Alternative Energy Sources Became “Road Not Taken”

Atlanta, GA. – In June, 1979, President Jimmy Carter proposed a “new solar strategy” to “move our Nation toward true energy security and abundant, readily available energy supplies.” In an effort to set an example for the country, Carter had solar panels installed on the roof of the White House West Wing. The panels were used to heat water for the staff mess and other areas of the White House.

At the time, President Carter warned “a generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people; harnessing the power of the Sun to enrich our lives as we move away from our crippling dependence on foreign oil.”

On Friday, March 30th, the White House solar panel will in fact become “a museum piece” at the Carter Presidential Library and Museum. The solar panel will be a new addition to the museum’s section on President Carter’s energy policies.

“I think people will be surprised to learn how modern Carter’s statements on energy were when the panels were put on the White House roof,” Carter Library Director Jay Hakes said. “It was clearly ahead of its time.”

The White House solar panels were a symbol of the Carter Administration’s commitment to reduce America’s dependence of foreign sources of energy, according to Hakes, who was the Administrator of the Energy Information Administration at the U.S. Department of Energy during the Clinton presidency. “Behind that was a whole package of tax incentives, research and development and loans that made it much more than a symbol,” Hakes added. “There was actually a very substantive attempt to move ahead the expanded use of solar energy.”

President Ronald Reagan took the solar panels down in 1986 when the White House roof was being
repaired.

President Carter’s goal of getting 20% of the nation’s energy needs from the Sun by the end of the Twentieth Century remains unrealized. Today, only 6% of the country’s energy requirements come from renewable sources. That’s the same as it was when Carter entered the White House.

“I think if you are looking for the one pivotal moment in the history of renewable energy in the United States, this would probably be it,” Hakes said. “This new display may help people imagine that if the road had been taken to use more renewables that the current problems of dependency on unreliable sources of oil and climate change would probably be much less than they are today.”


Editors Note: For more information or images of the solar panels on the White House roof, contact the Carter Library - Public Affairs Office at 404-865-7109 or tony.clark@nara.gov.
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