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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:50 AM Original message |
A GM fuel cell vehicle parked at Pep Boys? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. What a lot of people seem not to understand is hydrogen is not an energy source. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. A pretty lousy battery, at that |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Low energy density? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. No. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Yes |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Volume is the relevant issue |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Gasoline is also not an energy "source". It is merely a storage |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yes, but here's the difference: |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. An excellent argument for the superiority of hydrogen! |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Both are bad news. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I don't understand your point here |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Electric cars aren't available because GM doesn't want them to be. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Preaching to the converted here........I know the evils of CO2, lol. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Hydrogen is anything but compact |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. There are better ways to store hydrogen |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Better? |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Here's my complaint against hydrogen: |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Actually, hydrogen doesn't need to be stored at high pressure |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Back in the 80s Mercedes built a bus with... |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yeah, but why? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Because hydrogen is really, really easy to generate renewably |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Use the H2 as feedstock for making methane (et. al.) |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No need to distribute to cars |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Methane etc. may have their uses |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. If you use atmospheric CO2 to react with H2, the result would be carbon-neutral |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Even lower energy density |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Methane "manufacture" is easy: feed kestrel beans. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That won't work at an industrial level |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Some days it sure would........ |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Maybe add some hard-boiled eggs for "high-octane" gas |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Cabbage, my friend. Cabbage. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I once thought I was actually dying. It turned out to be teh cabbage. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. True, but is it easier to charge a battery or fill a tank? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. The fork-lifts we use at work simply swap out batteries |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Interesting. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. But with each battery pack worth thousands of dollars... |
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ejbrush (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. 900 bar?!? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. No kidding. Ka-boom. nt |
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