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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:29 PM
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World warned on food price spiral
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7288959.stm
Last Updated: Tuesday, 11 March 2008, 05:49 GMT

World warned on food price spiral

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said he is deeply concerned about the sharp rise in global food prices.

Mr Ban said the trend would hinder progress towards the millennium development goals (MDGs), which aim to halve extreme poverty by 2015.

The UN World Food Program (WFP) and other agencies may be forced to ration food aid, he said in a BBC interview.

He said shortages might be eased by a "green revolution" to transform farming methods in Africa.

Global food prices have risen by 40% in nine months and food reserves are at their lowest for 30 years.

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM
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1. A "green revolution" is unlikely in Africa
The green revolution is predicated on the massive use of irrigation water and chemical fertilizer, both of which are in short supply in Africa. Fertilizer is also horrifically expensive due to transportation costs. The surplus GDP needed to to support an increase in irrigation infrastructure and fertilizer imports does not appear to be available within the continent, and foreign aid and agricultural investment is drying up. All this is documented in http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Africa/Africa.html

Some degree of "Green Revolution" may be pushed into North Africa, but sub-Saharan Africa is probably out of the question. I'm skeptical about the possibility of rescuing continental Africa from food insecurity over the short term through productivity increases, especially in the face of Peak Oil, climate change and HIV/AIDS.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:17 PM
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2. Set aside your assumptions based on the "Green Revolution" of the past.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 05:06 PM by OKIsItJustMe
http://ideas.repec.org/a/fao/tejade/v2y2005i1p7-19.html

The Possibility of a Green Revolution in Sub-Saharan Africa: Evidence from Kenya

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Abstract

It is widely believed that a Green Revolution similar to the one achieved in Asia is impossible in Sub-Saharan Africa. Although grain yields have been stagnant in this region, there are some signs of the intensification of farming systems in the face of growing population pressure on limited land resources. In this paper we focus on the new farming system based on the use of manure produced by dairy cows, which may be termed an “Organic Green Revolution.” Using the farm household data collected from Kenya, this paper demonstrates that the Organic Green Revolution has a potential of doubling maize yields in highlands of Kenya.

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Publisher Info

Article provided by Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations in its journal The Electronic Journal of Agricultural and Development Economics.

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http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v396/n6708/full/396211a0.html
Nature 396, 211-212 (19 November 1998) | doi:10.1038/24254

The greening of the green revolution

David Tilman1

In comparison with conventional, high-intensity agricultural methods, 'organic' alternatives can improve soil fertility and have fewer detrimental effects on the environment. These alternatives can also produce equivalent crop yields to conventional methods.

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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:07 PM
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3. Not to mention all of the third world farmers we ran out of business
by dumping our cheap corn on the world from the previous decades.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:50 PM
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6. so when we give out food aid, we're evil...
but when we don't give out food aid, we're evil. That's a bitch of a catch-22 to be in.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:55 PM
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8. Got tired of your old haunting grounds, crimson blue?
You know where I'm talking about. I can't name it here. Against the rules.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:43 PM
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9. Ich bin Fledermaus,
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 09:48 PM by Fledermaus
I don't want to be rude, but WTF you jackasses
www.fledermaus.us
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:10 PM
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12. Ich bin yourself
n/t
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:49 AM
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11. There's a difference between targeted food aid and dumping, no?
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:21 PM
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5. The ghost of Malthus
The classical economists who followed in the footsteps of Adam Smith did not enjoy his widespread popularity. Dubbed the "prophets of gloom and doom," they became associated with turning economic thought into a dismal science. Thomas Robert Malthus, in particular, became renown for his pessimistic predictions regarding the future of humanity.

A more forgivable mistake by Malthus involves his failure to anticipate the growth of technology. The advancements made in agricultural science allowed farmers to make greater use of their lands. The development of effective contraception also made "restraint" a non-issue in terms of checking population growth. Because of these scientific breakthroughs the theories of Malthus have had little relevance in regards to Western society. Many underdeveloped nations, however, never adopted improved farming techniques or new methods of contraception. The results of this failure have mirrored Malthusian predictions to a startling degree. Overpopulation, famine, pestilence and war continue to ravage the third world. These events constitute an unhappy vindication of many of Malthusian doctrine.

http://www.victorianweb.org/economics/malthus.html
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:18 PM
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4. World warned. Overstuffed primates reach for another doughnut.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:19 PM by tom_paine


It would be funny if it wasn't so true. Now I think I'll have one myself. I mean, I'm as overstuffed a primate as anyone else.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:53 PM
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7. FORTY PERCENT IN NINE MONTHS????!!
You've got to be kidding me. Is this correct?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:48 AM
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10. Yes, it's correct.
Let's hope it's only temporary, but even a year or two of these sorts of price increases will play hob with third world food aid and import programs.

The problem is, with Peak Oil and climate change on the horizon and a global recession or even depression a possibility, it's hard to see how this situation could be short term.
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humus Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:42 AM
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13. leave the farmers alone
what makes you think our technology
has more to offer then the inherit knowledge of the local farmers for thousands of years.
Tranfer of Technology (TOT) has proven time and time again of being a hindrance not a help.
Not to mention the overt exploitaion and plundering...

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Wrench_Recon/Wrench_Recon_18.html

The Germans were the last Europeans to colonize. They were also the people most imbued with the faith of modern science, and this taught them, with a clear conscience, to pursue the rights of the fittest to its extreme, logical conclusion. Armed with this faith, they conquered three areas in Africa: South-west Africa, the Cameroons, Tanganyika.

The Germans date their colonial empire from 1884, when Lüderitz hoisted the German flag at Angra Pequena, a port of South-west Africa, Nachtigal did the same at Duala, a port of the Cameroons, and Karl Peters and his companions landed at Zanzibar. So began their part in the exploitation of the Dark Continent.

Many countries had preceded them, Portugal, Britain, France and Belgium and, in their exploitation of their new territories, had not always refrained from cruelty. One of them, Belgium, under the influence of its king, was in the nineties to give an example of cruelty on such a large scale and so pitiless that, when knowledge of it became public, it projected a widening wave of horror through the United States, Britain, France, and Belgium itself. The period of harsh treatment of natives had come to an end as far as the great publics of Western Europe and America were concerned.

With this equal start in the three colonies in the year 1884, the German version of the policy of exploitation began.

As regards South-west Africa, a dry land and chiefly of agricultural value because of its pasture land, Paul von Rohrbach defined the policy in the Deutsche Kolonialwirtschaft, in these words, as quoted by Mr. G. L. Steer in his book of convincing thoroughness, Judgment on German Africa, 1939: 'The decision to colonize South-west Africa could after all mean nothing less than this: that the native tribes would have to give up their lands on which they had previously grazed their stock in order that the white men should have the land for foraging their own.'

The Hereros and Hottentots were the chief peoples concerned in this appropriation. It was begun with a harsh oppression of both peoples, particularly of the prouder and more warlike of the two, the Hereros.

One of their chieftains described the German methods in words, again quoted from Mr. Steer's book, which is my guide in this chapter: 'Our people were being robbed and deceived right and left by German traders. Their cattle were taken by force. They were flogged and ill-treated and got no redress. In fact, the German police assisted the traders instead of protecting us. Very often one man's cattle were taken to pay other people's debts. If we objected and tried to resist, the police would be sent for and, what with floggings and threats of shooting, it was useless for our poor people to resist. If the traders had been fair and reasonable, like the old English traders, we would never have complained. But this was not trading at all. It was only theft and robbery.'

The Hereros rebelled in 1904, and fought according to their savage code, calculated to call for reprisals. They were defeated and, to finish the work, General von Trotha issued an order of total extermination, the Vernichtungs-Befehl. This is how it ran:

'I, the great general of the German soldiers, send this letter to the Herero nation. The Hereros are no longer German subjects. They have murdered and robbed, they have cut off the ears and noses and privy parts of wounded soldiers, and they are now too cowardly to fight ... The Herero nation must now leave the country. If they do it not I will compel them with the big tube. Within the German frontier every Herero, with or without a rifle, with or without cattle, will be shot. I will not take over any more women and children, but I will either drive them back to your people or have them fired on. These are my words to the nation of the Hereros. The great General of the Mighty Emperor, von Trotha.' By the end of 1905 official extermination had reduced the Herero people from 90,000 to 15,000.

In October 1904 the Hottentots also rebelled and were partly exterminated. As to the human result upon the Protectorate of the policy, Leutwein, the German historian of the south-west, declared: 'At the cost of several hundreds of millions of marks and several thousand German soldiers we have, of the three business assets of the Protectorate, mining, farming and native labour, destroyed the second entirely, and the last as to two-thirds.'

Before the Germans were themselves conquered in the Great War, the condition of the natives is thus summed up by Mr. Steer: 'Officially still, the native was a State serf, guilty of serf-like offences. Out of 4,356 convictions against natives, in the Protectorate between 1 January 1913 and 31 March 1914, 3,167 were for desertion, negligence, vagrancy, disobedience, insolence, laziness and contravention of the Pass laws; crimes not of man against man, but of the slave against his boss.' This did not include the punishments of 'Väterliche Züchtigung', or paternal punishment, allowed to the German master over their serfs, which led Governor Seitz, in order to avoid a further native revolt, to threaten in 1912 'to withdraw labour supplies from those "who rage in mad brutality against the native, and consider their white skin a charter of indemnity from punishment for the most brutal crimes".'

After the Great War, South-west Africa was allotted as a Mandated Territory to the Union Government of South Africa.

http://journeytoforever.org

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