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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 04:43 PM Original message |
A Modest Heresy |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Have you ever been really hungry? |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Except... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. They're going under the bus anyway. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Would. you. like. to. play. a. game. Dr. Chefurka? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Global Thermonuclear War, perhaps? |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Ooo. Population Bomb. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. The best birth control is to educate poor women to 6th grade--the birth rate |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Actually there are lots of ways to kill people, notably by appeal to ignorance. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Poor NNadir, ranting to himself. Oblivious to the fact that virtually everyone |
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Champion Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. Great Idea! I just added him to the ol' ignore heap |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
61. Um really? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. Shouldn't the headline read "A Modest Proposal?" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'm not talking about EATING them - that would be barbaric! |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. "Evil, immoral and barbaric?" I believe you mean, "Nasty, brutish and short." |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I never even hinted that the lives of our ancestors were "somehow better" |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Reverting to "Nasty, Brutish and Short" will not save the biosphere |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Reducing the number of humans is ultimately the only thing that will help. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Nothing else is going to help |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It's time we faced up to some facts |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. "there are tough times ahead for essentially the entire ecosystem" |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I appreciate your more optimistic take |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. This is my take on it: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
17. That is a very poorly supported argument.. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. OK I just read Carrying Capacity. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The argument was to a degree a piece of mischief, intended to put the cat among the pigeons |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Read Harris. Trust me. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. If I said "culture is a memetic fabric" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yes it would fit very well. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Food supplies don't typically shrink by a modest amount over a period of time |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. That's true. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
62. "You need more food to make more people" - NOT TRUE! |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Thanks, sounds interesting--I just put it on my library request list. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. As a woman, I don't follow |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Wars are not effective population controls |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I'm curious |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I suspect the low TFR of the EU has to do with health care and social safety nets |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Why are you so confident that we will stabilize at 9 billion? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I'm not. That's the UN's Medium Fertility projection. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. The UN has revised their estimates |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. They still say 9 billion by 2050 |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. "I'm not proposing we 'starve the poor'." - Well, of course you are. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Ultimately, of course, it is always the poor that starve. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. It appears that helping the poor to feed themselves works well |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. The Green Revolution? Not f'ing likely |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. As I've said before, "This isn't your Father's 'Green Revolution'" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Notice that the headline says, "Towards" a New and Improved Green Revolution |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa commits 180M to revive farmers' depleted soils |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. My response to this self-serving twaddle is in the post above |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. The Possibility of a Green Revolution in Sub-Saharan Africa: Evidence from Kenya |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. This sort of work I support whole-heartedly. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Millennium Villages |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Again, a fantastic idea |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. SECRETARY-GENERAL CALLS FOR ‘UNIQUELY AFRICAN GREEN REVOLUTION’ IN 21ST CENTURY, |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. In 2004 he called for a "Uniquely African" Green Revolution. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. June 14, 2007, Kofi A. Annan became chairman of "Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Sometimes you've got to dance with the devil to get the job done, I guess. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Your attitude is based on the assumption that this is a 60's style "Green Revolution" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. You mean my cynical assumption |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. A favorite passage from Vonnegut |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
58. Man is not required to follow the predator prey equation |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Do you really think so? |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Wisdom is like Common sense |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. So we can't avoid it then? |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
64. "Corn ethanol may be a lousy fuel, but it could be a great population control technology…" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Low tolerance for mischief? |
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