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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 04:32 PM Original message |
Can't Eat Ethanol (Boston Globe) |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. If it were switchgrass ethanol - it would be different |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. No it wouldn't. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Everything has a cost |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. How about the hundreds of thousands of tons of sugar beets that are |
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poopfuel (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. all very good suggestions |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. "at least power our existing infrastructure." |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Well stated, |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Yes, and thats why we must keep fuel cheap and available |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "Suicidal"? Maybe just not delusional? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. There is substantial proof that you are incorrect. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. How long will the deployment of these alt. energy systems take? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I don't know. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Right now I'm concerned that oil production declines will cause the most short-term damage |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. No we aren't. The last piece of the puzzle was V2G |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Oh, I'm not arguing about electric vehicles based on technological reasons |
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malakai2 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Well, then ethanol isn't really an option |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. If I were elected Pope, I would be different. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. reduce corn feed to cows nt |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. I disagree |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. My thoughts exactly. |
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poopfuel (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
14. and furthermore, food prices are mostly OIL's fault |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. As ethanol displaces more and more oil, I’m sure the attacks on ethanol will become more desperate. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Depressing gas prices, yet making it depressing to buy groceries. nt |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. I thought the proportion of the corn crop (all field corn for animals) grown for ethanol was 13-15% |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The low EROI of ethanol produces a country that must spend most of its productivity |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Ok, let’s play your Ponzi EROI game. The EROI of gasoline is 6 to 10 and going down. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I believe the theoretical maximum for ethanol is 8:1, no one is close to that. |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. EROI of gasoline in the US from well to pump 6 to10 |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Pfffftttt! Sugarcane ethanol has an EROI of 8:1 state of the art corn ethanol 5:1 |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. ...if you're under 21 years of age :-) n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. Can't eat it but you can drink it!!! where the hell do you think moonshine comes from? LOL nt |
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LongTomH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
24. There are other possibilities for bio-fuels |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The problem is, all the big proposals have too much impact on the biosphere, and all the small ones |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Oh, I don't know |
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