American Bakers' Association - US Rye Flour Supply Gone By June Or July - Reuters

[hatrack]

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American bakers also are dealing with tight supplies. Rye flour stocks have been depleted and by June or July there will be no more US rye flour to purchase, said Lee Sanders, senior vice president for government relations and public affairs at the American Bakers Association. "Those that are purchasing it now are having to purchase it from Germany and the Netherlands, and that's very concerning," Sanders said. She cited high demand for rye flour, used to make rye bread, and less acreage devoted to rye grain than in the past.

Amid scarce global supplies of rice and soaring demand, rice on the Chicago Board of Trade rose more than 2 percent to the maximum allowed in one day, as investors poured more money into food and fuel-based commodities. With poorer nations struggling to find supplies, the Asian Development Bank criticized rice export bans, saying governments should instead use fiscal measures to help the poor.

"Banning of exports is no different from hoarding at a national level," Rajat Nag, the ADB's managing director general, told reporters at Singapore's Foreign Correspondents Association.

The price of rice from Thailand, the world's No. 1 exporter, has more than doubled this year. The benchmark Thai 100 percent B grade white rice was quoted at a historic high at $950 a tonne this week RICE/ASIA1, up from $383 earlier this year.

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http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/48104/story.htm

[kestrel91316]

1. Not to worry. I'm sure Wonder Bread and Twinkies will remain

in abundant supply.

[phantom power]

2. There is no rye flour rationing!!1!!!1

x(

[leftchick]

3. why is this happening?

I have not been paying attention to this topic at all until this article and it is scaring me. Is this as serious as it sounds and how the hell does this happen?

[phantom power]

6. climate change.

floods, droughts, hail, etc. It's all damaging crops. More and more.

Plus, world population continues to increase.

Plus, there's been some food diverted toward biofuel production.

[hatrack]

7. A lot of it is diversion of acreage over the last few years for corn, and more corn . . .

And even more corn.

[newfie11]

32. Actually I have two fields in wheat and in this area lthat is not irrigated wheat is just about all

you can grow. Last year I had 100 acres planted in wheat. Due to the dry weather only 15% ever came up and it was disked in. I don't see anyone putting more corn in then usual in my area. Corn is a high feeder so it requires lots of fertilizer. If the prices go back down on corn farmers will left in the hole.

[struggle4progress]

63. Maybe. Corn was at historic highs last year. This year it's down considerably

[Vincardog]

9. why is this happening? Because the flat earth trade treaties forced the rest of the world to compete

with heavily subsidized US grain. They could not and they quit growing. Then the US decided The Corporate Corn Farmers needed more income so they offered big subsidies for corn to ethanol plants.
That lead to a lot of farms switching from other crops to put in corn.

The global warming caused floods and droughts to cut down further on world supply.
Finally the speculators in search of a fast buck moved from the Oil futures and housing markets To the commodities trading pits to see how much more blood they could squeeze from us.

[DCKit]

14. What ^Vincardog said. Spot on.

A perfect storm - except when you fuck with peoples food supplies, they get angry. The political fallout is going to be huge and worldwide.

[Delphinus]

19. Well,

maybe the anger is going to come at the right time, then. We needed something to mobilize the masses.

[leftchick]

28. I suspected it was Ethanol related

thank you. I just had not been paying attention to our global and doomed economy. :(

[krkaufman]

29. Now all we need ... is that one pest or disease ...

... to wipe out all the corn crops.

We have far too little diversity now.

[The2ndWheel]

16. We live in physical reality

[fed-up]

4. this bites for people with wheat allergies.....nt

[nykym]

5. This is happening because

of all the speculation by commodities traders on Wall St. Looking to cash in on the dwindling supply chain. I say first we kill all the lawyers then the commodity traders followed by the hedge fund managers. OK with you Willie?

[catnhatnh]

11. I ain't Willie...

but I'm down for that.....

[newfie11]

33. YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grasswire]

8. I'm cross posting this over to the cooking/baking forum

Thanks.

[hatrack]

10. You might also want to check the Wal-Mart/Sam's Club thread as well

:hi:

[bluescribbler]

12. Same thing is happening to barley

and hops. Bad news for brewers and beer lovers.:mad:

[GliderGuider]

13. The world seems to be changing in front of our eyes.

Can anyone else see the sunlight starting to peek through the cracks in our civilization?

[phantom power]

15. It occurs to me...

that this is just exactly what one would expect in 2008, given an expected zero-reserve crossover point in the same year.

The phase change when supply exceeding demand crosses over into demand exceeding supply.

[GliderGuider]

17. You mean like what's happening with oil this year too?

Hmmmm... This ought to mean something. What could it be? What could it possibly mean????

Hey, isn't it amazing to be alive right now? Years from now we'll be sitting around a campfire telling our grandchildren that we were there when the wheels fell off the world. Then we'll eat them.

[phantom power]

18. It is genuinely amazing to witness what is happening.

It feels bitter sweet to me. This kind of upheaval, coinciding with the development of complex systems science and computer horsepower capable of modeling it all, could in principle be an enormous learning opportunity, and even give us a genuine unified science of economics, politics and ecology.

But I can't bring myself to believe that any of it will survive. It will all burn, like the library of Alexandria.

I'll be the crazy old coot babbling about some dead guy named Stuart Kauffman, chaos theory and computer simulations. Whatever those were.

[Duppers]

37. taking pleasure merely in fact of being right?!

'Bitter SWEET'?!

Yeah, how 'sweet' of you.

[phantom power]

43. Not sure what you mean by 'being right.'

I admit to being fascinated by what is happening. That doesn't preclude me from also being frightened and saddened by it.

[Duppers]

44. sorry

my 'being right' comment was because of a mistaken idenity.
You never said that.
:blush:

[Duppers]

36. I've lost my sense of humor about this

:(

[GliderGuider]

39. That's interesting, I've recently regained mine.

Well, if not "sense of humor" then at least a sense of equanimity. I was where you are for two long, bleak and miserable years. It has ultimately cost me my family and nearly my sanity.

Black humor is a time-honored way of dealing with a desperate situation, and developing a sense of equanimity about it doesn't imply a rejection of its seriousness. Nobody is proposing a reduction of empathy, just being able to make the occasional pitcher of lemonade out of all these lemons.

[Duppers]

41. thanks for explaining

Good heavens, it cost you your family?
So very sorry to hear that, truly.

My family is with me on this, all the way. And we keep each other sane all the while alienating the extended members and many, many others by throwing all of this in their ignorant faces.

But we all must keep our sanity in some way and if this does it for you, I'll STFU.
Keep on truckin' GG.

[truebrit71]

48. I know it's not a funny subject but your post made me laugh...

...I'm not a doom-and-gloomer but I am convinced mankind is in much more imminent danger than it thinks...

[Delphinus]

21. Not sure what you mean by that, Glider.

Can you ask the question in another way?

[GliderGuider]

22. I mean that it feels to me like we're watching our civilization start to come apart at the seams

And I was wondering if anyone else felt that way?

Food problems, oil prices, the financial system in chaos, dead oceans with lots of plastic but no fish etc. etc. etc. I have a very distinct end-times feeling these days. And I don't think the Rapture is coming.

[NickB79]

24. Even seen 'The Stand'?

"We are dead, and this....is.....Hell!"

[GliderGuider]

31. Weeeelll, the coming transformation isn't quite that Manichaean

Evil tends to be in the eye of the beholder (right alongside the mote).

The changes may well be hell for some, but they will represent opportunity or even liberation for others. As much will depend on our personal responses as on the physical circumstances.

[Subdivisions]

27. I believe that we are in the throes of this

civilization's decline. The Petroleum Age is coming to an end and we are indeed seeing the manifestations of that decline playing out right before our eyes.

Good. Might as well get it over with so we can see what's on the other side. We are living in pivotal times. We will end one epoch and begin another. I am scared. But I am also excited as I have made peace with what I believe is happening. I feel extremely priveleged that I am living at a time of such profound change in the course of human events. Only this time, the change will be of epochal proportions the likes of which humanity itself has yet to witness. And here we are. Witness.

Let's roll!

[Duppers]

34. there's something sick

about your 'let's roll' excitement.

Millions on the verse of losing their lives and you feel 'privileged' and are retorting like bush himself! WTF?!
How democratic of you!

[Subdivisions]

45. Then put me on ignore. n/t

[Duppers]

38. yet you call this "the sunlight starting to peek through"

you seem delighted that our ecology in now changing IN THIS WAY.

I surely want it to change to, but NOT like THIS, but rather through conservation and population reversals via birth control. I cannot take the least of pleasure in knowing that millions will die, even if it is because of their own stupidity, pollution, greed, abuse of resources, etc.

There's seems to be some sort of ecology 'rapture' psychology/philosophy going on with a couple of posters here.

I thought your 'Deep ecology' philosophy considers humankind an integral part of the environment, but you seem to be rejoicing in its demise.

[Subdivisions]

55. Settle down, Sally, No one but you has used the word 'pleasure'. n/t

[GliderGuider]

56. Just to make things perfectly clear

As Texas Explorer has said, there's a world of difference between fascination and delight. Even "exhilaration" can be caused by adrenaline that is released by fear -- soldiers in combat report that all the time.

I assure you, any perception you may have of my (or anyone else's) "delight", "pleasure" or "rejoicing" in the face of this unfolding calamity is totally your own projection. If I were an armchair psychologist (I'm not, but I play one on the Internet) I'd speculate that the projection is rooted in your own fears and is triggered by your expectations of the "appropriate" social responses to those fears. I've seen a lot of people make these interpretive mistakes (fascination == delight, expecting a disaster == welcoming it or hoping for it), and I'm not sure why it happens. The only explanation I can come up with is that the people who make such mistakes have a narrow understanding of the range of human reactions, a belief that their own response is the only appropriate one, and are looking for a normative stick to beat others with when they step out of bounds.

Wherever it comes from, please stop doing it. It's erroneous, egocentric, and annoying as hell.

Paul Chefurka

[Duppers]

58. yelp, the fault may lie in semantics

rather than in any of my 'deep' psychology. I have faced my mortality before, in a very real and personal way.

I wasn't the only one confused:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=144442&mesg_id=144516

I'll STFU now. No more of my remarks or your lectures.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[GliderGuider]

59. No problem.

It just pushed one of my buttons. The same thing happens in population discussions all the time, so I'm a bit too sensitive about it.

No more lectures. How about one of these instead? :beer:

[truebrit71]

50. Yup...count me in on that...

I don't think Rapture is coming either...Society will rupture, for sure...but Rapture? Not likely...

"I have a very distinct end-times feeling these days."

Me too.

Tipping point? We've already passed it...

[Subdivisions]

26. I find it very scary - yet immensely fascinating. And I find it

fascinating how people are in denial and grasping for any reason for what is happening. Then, when you tell them, they look at you like you just layed an egg.

You know, Glider, this is the scariest damn thing that could possibly happen short of knowing an incoming nuke is on its way. This is the slow-motion scary. But I'm at peace with it because whatever lies ahead is sure to break up the mundane and mediocre routines of modern life in a profound way. We will be transformed from corporate serfs, to zombie hoardes, to the fittest of survivors. The chances are against me being in that last group, but I'm going to try my damndest to get there.

[Duppers]

35. "the fittest of survivors" ?!!

Still romanticizing this tragedy, I see, and thumping your chest over your 'privileged' life.

Well, whooped shit for you!

[One_Life_To_Give]

40. In a Mr. Spok sort of way

I believe he/she is expressing the fascination of a scientist/engineer type. Liek the fascination with getting to witness the detonation of a thermonuclear bomb up close and personal.

[Duppers]

42. well, that sort of 'pleasure' escapes me

I take no pleasure in others' pain, even if it were to prove me a genius.

[Subdivisions]

46. If you don't like what I'm saying, put me on ignore or

just pass over my comments.

[Duppers]

47. same

there always seems to be something about anyone with 'texas' in their handle.

[Subdivisions]

51. Oh yea? And what would that "something" be? You've taken

one comment out of my entire life and made your judgement of me based on that and the fact that the word Texas is in my nick.

Just so happens, I'm from Newport News, Virginia, dear neighbor Williamsburgian.

I won't pass judgement on you yet based on the little I know about you.

[Subdivisions]

54. You are the only person who has used the word 'pleasure'. There's

a world of difference between fascination (which doesn't mean glee) and 'pleasure'.

[Subdivisions]

52. My "privileged" life? Ha! I don't think so. Two paychecks

away from living in the woods.

[Duppers]

60. my apology. meanings are being misconstrued here.

I took it out of context and you misconstrued my comment too.

Here's what you said up thread: "I feel extremely priveleged that I am living at a time of such profound change in the course of human events."

To which, I replied: "Millions on the verse of losing their lives and you feel 'privileged' and are retorting like bush himself!"

Does this clarify at all?

[Subdivisions]

61. "Priveleged" in this sense is difficult to describe or quantify for

two very simple reasons: 1) I do well in my use of grammar and vocabulary - for someone who's worked on large commercial construction sites for 25 years. But I could use a little more work in the vocabulary area. And, 2) Considering reason #1, it's the only word I could come up with (for a single post among the 30 or so posts I made last night) a word that sufficiently conveyed my feeling about being part of this epochal change in the human condition. You have to ask yourself "surely he did not mean it in that context?" while extending the benefit of doubt.

It's not that I'm going to enjoy starving and shooting at people who get within 100 yards of me and my family in our bugout bunker. It's not about the BILLIONS who are sure to die as a result of energy depletion's acidic decomposure of the fabric of world civilization. It's not that I accept full responsibility for what I, and the rest of my fellow humans, have done to the planet, and as such, to help cause the hunger and tragedy that is now playing out across the globe and which will get worse.

It's not about the pain we all are sure to endure or to succumb to.

It's about my children. All children.

This planet is in overshoot. I've accepted that what will happen must happen if our children are to carry on the human race. Nature will win. And it will bring itself back into balance. In the process, alot of people are going to perish. In the meantime, and for as long as we survive it, I will take it all in as human life is so short that rarely does one witness such epochal events. As Glider said above, for those who adapt, there will be good things that come as a result of this correction. My job and yours is to make it to the other side alive. It's about survival.

No more lectures from me, too, neighbor. Fact is, rather than get our knickers in a twist, I'd rather join you and Glider for one of these: :beer:

And, I humbly accept your apology. :)

[Duppers]

64. ...

:beer:

[madrchsod]

20. no one plants rye--it`s corn and beans

[Duer 157099]

23. And people mock the Mayan's ending their calendar at 2012!

I'm beginning to think they really *were* onto something important.

Because things (bad things) do seem to be accelerating and converging, don't they?

[truebrit71]

53. Shit...that just sent shivers down my spine...I had forgotten about that...

...On edit...Used my Google-Fu skills and am now significantly LESS worried about the whole 2012 thing...

Whew!

[XemaSab]

25. Cue teh horns:

Waaah-waaah-waaah!

[Duppers]

30. hell, no wonder I've having problems finding it

Seriously, over the last couple of months, I've had to go fr. store to store, often buying the last loaf on the rack.

Wake up, people.

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[Subdivisions]

49. Wake up, people. ...

Preachin' to the choir in E/E.

BTW, I know you think I take pleasure in what is going on with this world, but I don't. I'm as freaked out as anybody. You think I don't sit here and think about the possibility that someday soon me and my family won't be able to eat?

I'm not one much on psychology but I tend to face life's challenges head on and in some cases I laugh adversity in the face. I don't want to see anyone suffering but IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I said above I don't expect to survive it.

But let me tell you something, missy. When you're cold and hungry as hell sometime in 2010, you're going to be a savage when it comes to food. Your chiding me above for my let's roll remark will be minor compared to what you yourself will feel in just a couple of years. If my remarks offend you, I apologize. I'm not well-versed on how to express myself when the subject is the end of life as we have known it.

[Duppers]

57. I have no illusions about what is facing me

and I am frightened and I intend to be armed. As I said in this thread, I've lost my sense of humor about the whole thing.

Yes, I should have removed that 'wake up' remark. I know I'm preaching to the choir here....but some of us DUers drift in and out of here. Wish I could drag some of the deniers on DU back to here and to the science and other forums. There's one gal here in particular that lives up the road in Richmond who's a real pain.

Thanks for your reply. I'm not putting you on ignore; you're too good....yes, my opinion has changed.
(Btw, I lived in NN many yrs.)

[depakid]

62. "I am frightened and I intend to be armed."

Yet another reason why I intend to be in Australia....

[Duppers]

65. and a bloke would have a time findin' nuff water down thar

and fer sure, they're armed to the hilt.

G’day mate.

[depakid]

66. Not in the Hunter....

;-)

Looking forward to being back in the fall...errr... spring.