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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 01:14 AM Original message |
Nuclear Market Meltdown, capitalists won't pay for nukes, they will pay for wind and solar |
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Captain Angry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Lovins is an interesting guy. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Thanks, I think so too, he descrribes what RMI does as institutional acupuncture. |
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Captain Angry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The streamlining and lightweighting are so important. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You're right. I was really shocked the first time I drove a Prius because it was |
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Captain Angry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Toyota is going to surprise the world one of these days and introduce a 100mpg car. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Here's the description from the RMI 08 spring newsletter, p.5: |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. Since '05 I have only placed 4 DUers on ignore |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Thanks, I mostly ignore their mentally ill BS, but I do like reading the responses ;) |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. I will probably be ignored |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Not true, my power comes from PG&E, which is mostly natural gas and renewables |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Almost 1/4 of your power is nuclear |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Here is the chart for all US production (much more coal) |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. You are correct! I'll have to go to Sacramento to do better on my power mix. |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. And look where we are today with oil products... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. I see one of "them" has joined us below. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
9. On Thom Hartmann's show a week ago or so, liability is also an issue... |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. If it was a viable industry it certainly shouldn't be needing subsidies 50 years |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
11. We can do better than turning us all into future human glow sticks |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
12. Gotta love Amory. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. You probably will be able to buy a 100mpg or ng car in about two years from GM, Toyota |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Amory's certainly aren't. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. Meanwhile, look at what our taxes may go to: |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. For how much energy? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Probably vast amounts... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Getting to Europes use pc is only 1/2 the problem |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Well, plenty to argue there |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. The value of changing personal behaviour |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I did drop my electric use by 40% by changing my refrigerator and 4 lightbulbs, |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. That's not what I'm saying at all |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Agreed...and sometimes its hard not to argue out of simple frustration |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Bushes' friends will probably suck up most of that money and build few or none |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
17. The Achilles' heel of Lovins' concept of soft energy |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. You overlook the inefficiencies of power transmission over large distances |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Line loss is typically 8-10% |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Some additional info on micropower econ from RMI's spring 08 newsletter |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I can't find much hard data on micropower efficiency |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
21. In the Northwest US, inveastors are still spooked by the WPPSS debacle |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. This is the same asshole who said that nuclear power was dead in 1980. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. He was right |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Really? Care to cite a reference to his Foreign Affairs papers? |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You have to be the most obnoxious person I've ever encountered in my 60 years |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Where is all the solar and wind farms eh? |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. That would be "where are"--they are all over the place with more built all the time. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Drink much??? |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Madokie, why do you bother to read his stuff? It's no facts frosted with abuse. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 05:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. True that |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 05:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I don't pull punches with ethical cripples. |
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