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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 10:26 PM Original message |
I Toured a Nuclear Power Plant yesterday. 2500 Mw output, 24/7 |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Nuclear outputs a lot of carbon to make and transport the fuel. |
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mediaman007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. They put out a lot of heat into the environment via water used for cooling. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. True, a crazy number like a million gallons per minute of warm water... |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Actually colder water is generally better for sealife. Especially along America's coast |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 04:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. And water vapor is a much more potent greenhouse gas that CO2 |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. all energy producing plants |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. That steam is captive in a closed system and is made from pure water to reduce turbine blade erosion |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Same can be said for photovoltaics and wind systems... |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Not on the same scale. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
50. You are not even close. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Can you support that claim with hard data? |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. See my other post in this thread, I have a link that supports it. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It says no such thing |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Well you are off by 10% on coal, more like 900 than 1k. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm not a friend of nuclear, but your carbon numbers aren't close to correct |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Read the subject of the post you responded to, exact same as what you said. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Actually |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. That is still true, no retraction necessary, but you need to look long term. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. That simply isn't true. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Don't put words in my mouth. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. No, you didn't. But that's the value judgement attached to what you DID say. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Well see now you just gone and been an ass about it. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No name calling by me. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. The data might not be right, but it isn't a false statement in that I did run across that. |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. "Glad everyone is on board with that." |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. What is your opinion? |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. There is a place for all forms of energy, including nuclear |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Greenpeace founder now backs nuclear power |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Pulling out that old chestnut again, eh? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
65. Hi kristopher |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. De nada |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Your linked article doesn't say that |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Stop being such a prick. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Nederland isn't the one being a prick |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. He still is being a prick |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I don't actually hold every post to that standard |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. You are grossly exagerating what I said. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. "The info is out there". |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. You right that there is no reason any of us should believe the other. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. So you do have a scientific background |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I'll give that a read tonight. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
79. That's a falsehood of the highest order. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-13-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. There are a half dozen coal fired plants within |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Lucky you can't see CO2, then... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. When I was growing up back in the 50's |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yes, it's all the same air |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. The CO2 emissions from a plant next door isn't going to |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. We have different priorities, there's nothing wrong with that. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Myself I am not willing to give up my total electric |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Yawn ... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
49. If everyone on Earth shared your lifestyle |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. No it won't |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. The environmental damage done by coal mines is as extreme as ever. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:36 PM Original message |
the coal ash |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
13. I hope you realize that's all you'll see: just a few more. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. If the internets is a game - YOU JUST WON! |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. And you can prove this is not related to high construction costs |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I gave an answer the other day |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. If we follow France's pattern |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. They can't and that's the wrong question anyway. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. I'll add this great quote posted on the NEI blog by a pro-nuke |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Thanks for all the good data... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 06:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You're welcome - the Keystone Center has a very good approach |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
73. From your link |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Yep. Three factors that make nuclear more attractive than in the past. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-20-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Defining base load power |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
19. Are you touring these facilities for some sort of project, or just for fun? |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. It's part of his job as an online pro-nuke person :D n/t |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. An aside: |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
54. It was hard to choose between that or "thoroughbred of sin" |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
66. I train groups of teachers to teach about solar energy and conservation... |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. GrovelBot has a tiny nuclear power plant inside his chest. |
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alan007 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. aha |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:16 AM Response to Original message |
46. "the more advanced design that reuse the fuel" - what do MIT and NAS say about that? |
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mayahbird (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
57. One little earthquake!!!!! |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Welcome to DU mayahbird |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
70. I really don't thinkyou can call Nukes carbon neutral. It takes a lot of fossil energy combustion |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. *snort* |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-19-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. delete |
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