The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam

[starmaker]

By John Coleman, January 28, 2009
The key players are now all in place in Washington and in state governments across America to officially label carbon dioxide as a pollutant and enact laws that tax we citizens for our carbon footprints. Only two details stand in the way, the faltering economic times and a dramatic turn toward a colder climate. The last two bitter winters have lead to a rise in public awareness that CO2 is not a pollutant and is not a significant greenhouse gas that is triggering runaway global warming.

How did we ever get to this point where bad science is driving big government we have to struggle so to stop it?

The story begins with an Oceanographer named Roger Revelle.

REST OF STORY from KUSI in San Diego

http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html

[Skink]

1. Deal with it.

:beer:

[Bobbieo]

4. Wait and see, first, what the summer has to offer!

[Skink]

5. I meant.... Starmaker deal with it.

He's nearing the 700 club.

[starmaker]

9. Beyond left or right here

just looking for truth
has your gov't ever lied to you?

[Barrett808]

26. Has an entire scientific discipline ever lied to you?

Let me guess: evolutionary biology.

[starmaker]

36. Would be a tough nut for you to crack

beware of the scientific world and the experts.
and what you are told by them.
Science id a two-edged sword
can help or control

[tabatha]

2. So why are the glaciers melting?

Colder climate?

Why are the reefs disappearing?
Hint: the oceans are saturated with CO2 and are as a result acidic - destroying reefs.

You won't find many takers here - there are far too many knowledgeable, smarter people on this forum.

[liberalmuse]

3. Um...Green house gasses can cause global warming, which, in turn...

could start an ice age. We know human activity has greatly increased the amount of green house gasses being released in the atmosphere. We also know the earth's temperature is increasing. We just don't know where it will go from there, or rather, how the dominoes will fall.

[Delphinus]

44. And this is why

they call it Global Climate Change. Warming could really send us into an ice age.

The term Global Warming is still being bandied about and it's really a miscontruance of what Global Climate Change entails. But it works for those who disagree because they can use these cold winters as their excuse to say "global warming, bah humbug!"

[silverweb]

6. Oh, yeah.

Let's believe crackpot weather man John Coleman over 3000+ real scientists around the world. My daughter and I used to watch this guy on San Diego Channel 51 just to laugh at him. He's nuts.

Coleman's views on climate change should be considered in the light of his having no educational or scientific credentials in meteorology, climatology, environmental science, or indeed in any other scientific field or discipline.

Riiiiiiiight. :rofl:

[NickB79]

8. Oh, you left out the best part

"In addition, Coleman is not a board-certified broadcast meteorologist. According to standards set by the American Meteorology Society for board certification of broadcast meteorologists, Coleman does not possess the requisite scientific, technical and academic background to to even sit for the certification exam."

He isn't even qualified to take the exam to be a TV broadcast meteorologist :rofl:

[silverweb]

13. Thanks!

I left that out because I was trying to be pithy and brief, but I'm glad you posted it.

Coleman isn't qualified for anything except being a certifiable loon... and he definitely comes across as one on the TV machine.

:D

[starmaker]

14. Call him what you want

The creation of global warming as a scheme to further world governance
came out of "The Club of Rome" and has worked real well in
creating a green frenzie to save the world thru global taxation.
Call me what you want- i just don't buy the so called expert bullshit.

[silverweb]

16. Sure, ok.

And I'm calling your bullshit bullshit.

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. "a scheme to further world governance"?

:rofl:

:rofl:

What can I say, but ...

:rofl:

I guess this means the OP was satire, then?

[Nihil]

43. Hey Xema! We've got another contender!

> The creation of global warming as a scheme to further world governance
> came out of "The Club of Rome" and has worked real well in
> creating a green frenzie to save the world thru global taxation.

:spray: :wtf: :rofl:

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[Barrett808]

22. Guardian, would you consider reading a college textbook on climate science?

I guarantee you that it would be worth your time. You'd need some calculus and differential equations, but nothing too far beyond first-year courses.

Seriously, if you care about this issue, learning the science can only help.

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[Barrett808]

27. Dude, just sayin'.

It's pretty clear you could brush up on your climate science.

[guardian]

28. Oh yeah--nice two step

I notice you side-stepped the double standard issue nicely. The truth about being a hypocrite hurts doesn't it?

[Barrett808]

30. Uh, what?

Me no follow.

[Not Sure]

18. San Diego weather man

Is it John Coleman, or Brick Tamland?

[silverweb]

32. Coleman's at least as nutty as Tamland.

What's scarier is that Coleman is real, not just a character!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. How did myth replace science? Was it (once again) the Repukes? nt

[Lint Head]

10. The real question is, why is it that freepers run up their post numbers

by simply going to an old DU page and replying "Yeah." or "." to a post?
:dem:

[Barrett808]

11. Oh, for the love of...

Must we continually swat down this denialist nonsense?

Apparently.

[sharp_stick]

12. Oh my....

Is this the John Coleman that isn't qualified to be the weather girl on Fox61 news at 10? It takes all types I guess and intelligence isn't always needed.

[depakid]

15. It's a world wide conspiracy involving every nation on the planet!

and only a local TV weatherman could have uncovered it!

:crazy:

[starmaker]

20. Not a conspiracy

Lot of people still question "authority"
The truth is there for discovery and it's not on TV

[depakid]

21. "The truth is there for discovery "

And it's right there in peer reviewed scientific journals....

Global Warming-- Signed, Sealed, and Delivered
Scientists agree: The Earth is warming, and human activities are the principal cause.
by Naomi Oreskes

An Op-Ed article in the Wall Street Journal a month ago claimed that a published study affirming the existence of a scientific consensus on the reality of global warming had been refuted. This charge was repeated again last week, in a hearing of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

I am the author of that study, which appeared two years ago in the journal Science, and I'm here to tell you that the consensus stands. The argument put forward in the Wall Street Journal was based on an Internet posting; it has not appeared in a peer-reviewed journal — the normal way to challenge an academic finding. (The Wall Street Journal didn't even get my name right!)

My study demonstrated that there is no significant disagreement within the scientific community that the Earth is warming and that human activities are the principal cause.

Papers that continue to rehash arguments that have already been addressed and questions that have already been answered will, of course, be rejected by scientific journals, and this explains my findings. Not a single paper in a large sample of peer-reviewed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 refuted the consensus position, summarized by the National Academy of Sciences, that "most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."

<snip>

Climate-change deniers can imagine all the hypotheses they like, but it will not change the facts nor "the general induction from the phenomena."

None of this is to say that there are no uncertainties left — there are always uncertainties in any live science. Agreeing about the reality and causes of current global warming is not the same as agreeing about what will happen in the future. There is continuing debate in the scientific community over the likely rate of future change: not "whether" but "how much" and "how soon." And this is precisely why we need to act today: because the longer we wait, the worse the problem will become, and the harder it will be to solve.

More: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0724-28.htm

[starmaker]

25. And no one mentions the sun or pollution

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=1

PROVIDING INSIGHT
INTO CLIMATE CHANGE
ABOUT US
Friends of Science is a non-profit organization run by dedicated volunteers comprised mainly of active and retired earth and atmospheric scientists, engineers, and other professionals. We have assembled a Scientific Advisory Board of esteemed climate scientists from around the world to offer a critical mass of current science on global climate and climate change to policy makers, as well as any other interested parties. We also do extensive literature research on these scientific subjects. Concerned about the abuse of science displayed in the politically inspired Kyoto protocol, we offer critical evidence that challenges the premises of Kyoto and present alternative causes of climate change.

Our major environmental concern is the significant shift in recent years away from the important emphasis of previous decades on continual reductions in air and water pollution, to focus almost exclusively on global warming. The current obsession with global warming is misguided in that climate fluctuations are a natural phenomena and we suggest that adaptation should be emphasized rather than misguided attempts at control.

We do not represent any industry group, and operate on an extremely limited budget. Our operational funds are derived from membership dues and donations, contributing to the educational work we are doing in the field of science. We work to educate the public through the dissemination of relevant, balanced and objective information on Climate Change, and to support real environmental solutions.
Friends of Science values your input, either on the science or policy of global warming. And, if you’re as concerned as we are about global policy based on weak science, please join us to spark a national and international debate on global warming.

[Barrett808]

29. Solar forcing and pollution are routinely accounted for in climate models

Fo' sho'.

[starmaker]

31. Models are not science

Predictive programming is

[Barrett808]

34. Depends on what you mean by "model"

F=ma is a model. Holds up pretty well until you reach extreme scales of size or energy.

Simple climate models based on thermodynamic principles work remarkably well -- we can estimate the equilibrium temps of Earth and Mars to within 1K with about a page of equations.

Climate science doesn't rely on computer models, but computer models do provide virtual laboratories to test hypotheses.

[guardian]

37. Hey starmaker....quit stirring the pot

Didn't you get the internal memo that only my group (H-14r) here in the basement of the Heritage Foundation should disseminate the daily Big Oil talking points on DU? You are stealing my thunder.

Aren't you in group H-27p?? Meet you in the break room later for some ping pong. :-)

[starmaker]

38. Missed it

I'll go listen to a little more Lindsay Williams
and catch you later

[Viking12]

46. Friends of Science = oil industry "think-tank"

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Friends_of_Science

Thanks for playing.

[pnorman]

17. John Coleman

http://tinyurl.com/cbcflt

Any relation to Norm Coleman?

pnorman

[depakid]

23. Maybe even less qualified...

Despite having no educational or scientific credentials in meteorology, climatology, environmental science, or indeed any other scientific field or discipline, in the fall of 2007 Coleman described the current concern over global warming "a fictional, manufactured crisis, and a total scam."

His postings assessing the science behind global warming can be read at www.kusi.com. In fact, Coleman is not even a board-certified meteorologist or weather reader, the requirements for which are but several semester hours of successfully completed college coursework in meteorology or associated disciplines such as geology. In 2008 Coleman gave a speech of the same tone, before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce, blaming the "global warming scam" and environmentalist lobby, for rising gas and food prices. He also declared the scam "a threat to our economy and our civilization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coleman_(news_weathercaster)

[depakid]

33. Curious- someone just removed those paragraphs from the wiki!

Nutters and obsessives....

[Barrett808]

35. Maybe somebody could put them back...

I've never done a Wikipedia edit, though.

[silverweb]

40. HA! "The truth is out there," they say....

Then they proceed to ham-handedly doctor the evidence to coincide with their baseless claims.

:rofl:

[ConcernedCanuk]

39. Earth has cycles - we will be eliminated sooner or later

.
.
.

But we will be remembered for millenniums for all the crap and pollution we left behind

not pyramids or sculptures or books or art

toxic debris from every corner

only from humans

every other species - millions of them, manage to leave the planet fairly clean

WE ARE THE WORST SPECIES ON THE PLANET

We have contributed nothing to the welfare of the planet or the millions of species that live with us

BUT

we've succeeded in exterminating thousands of species,

and ruining the environment for thousands more

YEAH HUMANS!!

[hunter]

41. Still not hysterical, I see.

Apr-25-07:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2821688&mesg_id=2823151

Oh yeah, hand counted paper ballots... that turned out so well, didn't it?

[jpak]

45. John Coleman can suck it

and deniers can STFU

[Terry in Austin]

47. That's not an iceberg -- icebergs are a scam

Quick, we need to rearrange these deck chairs!

:eyes:

[hatrack]

48. But wait! We're missing something!

Where's the legendary OISM petition, huh? It's just not a conspiracy-fest without OISM!

Damned disappointing if you ask me!

:rofl:

[Greyskye]

49. Man the Lifeboat!

Occam's Razor means absolutely nothing to you, does it? :crazy:

[Javaman]

50. oh lord...

1)not everything is a conspiracy

2)just because you don't agree with reality doesn't mean you and enforce your own version.

3)there are some really good meds out there to help you.

4)and if it is what you say it is, what are you going to do about it? stand on a street corner preaching the "truth" about global warming?

5)and just exactly did you get your training in global climate studies? Jimmy Swagert University?