Global Warming: On Hold?

[alexandria]

March 2, 2009 -- For those who have endured this winter's frigid temperatures and today's heavy snowstorm in the Northeast, the concept of global warming may seem, well, almost wishful.

But climate is known to be variable -- a cold winter, or a few strung together doesn't mean the planet is cooling. Still, according to a new study in Geophysical Research Letters, global warming may have hit a speed bump and could go into hiding for decades.

Earth's climate continues to confound scientists. Following a 30-year trend of warming, global temperatures have flatlined since 2001 despite rising greenhouse gas concentrations, and a heat surplus that should have cranked up the planetary thermostat.

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But just what's causing the cooling is a mystery. Sinking water currents in the north Atlantic Ocean could be sucking heat down into the depths. Or an overabundance of tropical clouds may be reflecting more of the sun's energy than usual back out into space.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/02/global-warming-pause-print.html

[HeresyLives]

1. It's called La Nina.

[Richard D]

2. Not really

"It is possible that a fraction of the most recent rapid warming since the 1970s was due to a free variation in climate," Isaac Held of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Princeton, New Jersey wrote in an email to Discovery News. "Suggesting that the warming might possibly slow down or even stagnate for a few years before rapid warming commences again."

Swanson thinks the trend could continue for up to 30 years. But he warned that it's just a hiccup, and that humans' penchant for spewing greenhouse gases will certainly come back to haunt us.

"When the climate kicks back out of this state, we'll have explosive warming," Swanson said. "Thirty years of greenhouse gas radiative forcing will still be there and then bang, the warming will return and be very aggressive."

[alexandria]

4. Swanson thinks the trend could continue for up to 30 years

He thinks,i thought he was a scientist with facts?

[Richard D]

6. Those quotes are from Swanson.

[tabatha]

3. The CO2 spewed out by humans has caused the oceans to be more acidic.

Not good.

No excuse not to clean up.

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[tabatha]

7. If you had not heard about it,

...then you must be living on another planet - you certainly are not involved with this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/25/water-ocean-acidity-shellfish

and use the google for thousands more articles.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=carbon+dioxide+ocean+acidity&aq=1&oq=carbon+dioxide+ocean

[Richard D]

8. Now that's not fare!

you're quouting that scintifical stuff. What are you, reelity based or something?

[tabatha]

9. At first I was going to correct your "fare" until

I read the rest of your post. LOL.

[alexandria]

11. I can hit the search button ,with different results.

and behold .we have lots of articles that disagree with your CO2 premise.

http://hypsithermal.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/oceanic-uptake-of-atmospheric-co2/
http://flyerband.blogtownhall.com/
http://thefellowshipofscientifictruth.blogspot.com/2008/10/carbon-dioxide-ocean-acidification-and.html

If you want to believe humans are killing the earth,good for you ,but please to not force it on everyone else.

[tabatha]

12. How have I forced it on you or anyone else?

You were the original poster.

I was just responding to your original post.

Now, I will read your links, and see if there is any validity.

[tabatha]

13. What a joke.

You have no idea of the difference between opinion and science.

The first two links were to opinionated pieces.
The last link included references to opinions that have been debunked.

Are you a scientist - have you ever done any scientific study or work? I can guarantee that you have not.

[tom_paine]

15. Why is it all the deniers I've ever met KNOW NOTHING OF SCIENCE?

Not a damned one of them knows a THING about scientific method or scientific thinking?

Is it just a coincidence?

Let us just say that, while any good scientist knows that correlation does not equal causation, the idea that scientific illiteracy may be the direct cause of gullibly ignorant people falling for Denierganda is one who's uncertainty is diminishing.

That 'r' value is getting closer and closer to 1.0 and certain correlation.

[Richard D]

16. There's an excellent series on youtube now . . .

. . . called "Global Warming Crock of the Week". The producer is out to show that every, and I mean every argument of the denialists is based on false premise or reasoning. It's something even the original poster might understand if she were to take the time to watch and do a bit of thinkitating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nruCRcbnY0

Glad to have provided a good laugh!

[tabatha]

20. Is this climate change you can believe?

OTTAWA (Reuters) - The Arctic is warming up so quickly that the region's sea ice cover in summer could vanish as early as 2013, decades earlier than some had predicted, a leading polar expert said on Thursday.

Warwick Vincent, director of the Center for Northern Studies at Laval University in Quebec, said recent data on the ice cover "appear to be tracking the most pessimistic of the models", which call for an ice free summer in 2013.


http://desdemonadespair.blogspot.com/2009/03/arctic-summer-ice-could-vanish-by-2013.html

Maybe, if you fly over the Arctic, you would probably see ice where there is not.

[alexandria]

24. Is this climate change you can believe?

Antarctic ice grows to record levels


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming091307m.htm


But i am sure all you experts will explain this one..

[Nihil]

25. Easily explained by the experts (as it has been several times already) but the real one is ...

You are a complete and utter timewasting troll.

You ignore the evidence that folks with more patience than I keep
presenting and keep pretending that you are being honest.

Please fuck off and keep your drivel in GD or the Lounge.

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. TROLL RESEARCH STATION: Antarctica's western ice sheet is pushing ever faster into the sea,

but scientists know an even greater long-term threat lies here in the vast, little-explored whiteness of east Antarctica.
...
That report said west Antarctica has been warming, ice shelves floating on the sea fringing the west coast are weakening, and the glaciers they hold back are pouring ice faster into the sea.

The report doesn't forecast immediate Antarctic disasters because of global warming. Scientists point out, however, that if the western ice sheet ever collapsed completely, it would add some 7 meters to sea levels worldwide.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gCiXb1C_JnTZ19kwVF0k4Ld9b-FAD96J6H700

Current anomaly for Southern Hemisphere sea ice extent from 1979-2000 mean: roughly 0

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu.nyud.net:8080/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg

(that's the same source , The Cryosphere Today, that Candaian Free Press used)

So, it's not at record levels now; your link was from 2007.

[tabatha]

28. Try this....

http://www.sacbee.com/702/story/1681628.html

[Viking12]

22. LOL. Townhall. Yeah, that's where I go to get my science

Dumbass

[texastoast]

10. It's a momentary wave of cooler temps

During this El Nina phase.

http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~pierce/elnino/elnino.html

I just can't figure out those types who just can't seem to understand the concept of average. It's fairly common knowledge that global climate change doesn't mean that every day, every month is hotter.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/26/content_10902809.htm

More from Reilly here.

http://westcoastclimateequity.org/?p=569

Or maybe this site would interest you.

http://www.climatechangefraud.com/

[quidam56]

14. STOP BOMBING APPALACHIA

We can't stand anymore of the "hannity's america" progress and prosperity !! http://www.wisecountyissues.com

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[Richard D]

19. Forgive me, noah 223

Are you trying to be stupid or is it your natural state? I mean, if you're trying to achieve satire, it's not particularly well done. If you're not trying to be sarcastic, well, I become speechless. Of course if English isn't your primary language, it would explain things.

[hatrack]

23. But isn't that the mark of really, REALLY good satire - that you can't tell?

:rofl:

[tabatha]

21. It is called Climate Change.

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
http://www.she-net.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=899&forum=7

Global chilling
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E5D81538F93BA15752C0A9629C8B63

[petronius]

18. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has been hinting at a return to a cool phase for a while

That's a pattern very like the cool-phase ENSO, although much longer lasting. The stable/cooling global temperature in the mid-2oth century coincided with a cool-phase PDO regime...

[tex-wyo-dem]

27. Classic cherry-picking by those who like to muddy the waters and...

deny climate change and anthropogenic forcing.

Hot or Not? Making Sense of Climate Variability

To say that climate know-nothings like to pick and choose when it comes to interpreting the science is something of an understatement. "Prominent" - and I use the term loosely here - deniers like Dennis Avery, S. Fred Singer and Michael Asher have made a cottage industry of playing loose with the numbers and extrapolating short-term trends to make sweeping statements about global warming (see: one unusually cold month means global warming is over).

Which is why I have a feeling this study, entitled "Has the climate recently shifted?" (which will be published in an upcoming issue of the journal Geophysical Research Letters), will catch many a denier's eye. The main takeaway from this study is that there is a significant degree of variability in our climate system, and that, even though we may be entering a period of warming "stasis," long-term trends still point to significant warming due to anthropogenic forcing.

According to the authors, Kyle L. Swanson and Anastasios A. Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, the climate seems to have come to a point where two important modes of variability - the Northern Hemispheric atmospheric and oceanic modes, to be exact - have synchronized, or become coupled. This, they say, results in the climate system being "thrown into a new state," which will likely be marked by a flattening of the global average temperature trend.

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"Finally, it is vital to note that there is no comfort to be gained by having a climate with a significant degree of internal variability, even if it results in a near-term cessation of global warming. It is straightforward to argue that a climate with significant internal variability is a climate that is very sensitive to applied anthropogenic radiative anomalies. If the role of internal variability in the climate system is as large as this analysis would seem to suggest, warming over the 21st century may well be larger than that predicted by the current generation of models, given the propensity of those models to underestimate climate internal variability."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-jacquot/hot-or-not-making-sense-o_b_172269.html