We can haz tiny anomaly! We can haz tiny anomaly!

[Systematic Chaos]

We can haz ice as thick as Kleenex which covers only half a million km^2 less than it's supposed to!!

Everything's okay. Solar's gonna save us!!













































:banghead:



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:puke:

[madokie]

1. On the med, off the meds, drunk this early

which is it??? Or is your purpose to start some ixchs

I doubt seriously if there is anyone, who matters, here who doesn't think we are in a bad way environmental wise so what is the purpose of this OP???

[Systematic Chaos]

2. Don't worry about it, sweet cheeks.

n/t

[madokie]

3. So my first gut feeling was right

what I'm trying to figure out is how in the hell you got off my ignore list. soon to go back on but first I will see what you have to say for yourself. :puke:

[Systematic Chaos]

4. Okay... fine.

1 - If you don't know what lolcat is, look it the fuck up.

2 - If you automatically feel the need to jump into this post and give me shit about it without knowing exactly who it might actually be directed at and/or why, then that says a helluva lot more about your character than mine.

3 - Please, put me on ignore. Do it quickly, and with aplomb. Of course, I won't be doing that for your posts. I tend to use the spew of banana-pak and company, of which you are a proud, card carrying and decoder-ring wearing member, to help me gauge just how far and fast the stupidity is spreading around here. Meanwhile, I'll continue to watch as absolutely NO solar installations are build anywhere within a several-mile radius of my old, poor part of Las Vegas. You know, because it's such a great panacea of cheap energy and everyone is beating at the installers' doors to have those $50k things thrown atop their roof. Never mind the electronic waste which is killing off Chinese villages by the hundreds, right? So yeah... it would just thrill me if you were to put me on ignore. :thumbsup:

[madokie]

5. Oh gentle one

The man who can't do it because they aren't doing it.

[OKIsItJustMe]

6. OK, so how about if I take a different tack?

My guess is that if your original post had been written in plain English, without a lot of blank lines, there wouldn't have been any critique. (I may be wrong of course.)

[Systematic Chaos]

7. This I can deal with.

Mmmkay... to make a long story short, there is a very frequent poster to this board who, every few months, posts the graph I just did. This particular graph and the threads which follow are almost always filled with strange running jokes of the "you'd have had to have been there" variety. Sorry if you weren't thrilled with the large amount of blank space at the bottom with only a couple of emoticons. But, taken in the context that while the amount of ice up in the Arctic might be almost normal on paper, most of us understand that this ice is tissue thin and isn't going to survive the summer very well. Thus, I expect that while we have only a -0.5 km^2 area of ice cover as compared to the historical mean, I would not expect it to last very long.

Would you believe that there was absolutely no fucking alcohol at 8AM involved in the construction of that post? Would you believe that, at the same time I was presenting some information which is valuable to many of the E/E regulars, I was just trying to be funny in my own way? As for that line about "Solar will save us", I believe that solar is unmitigated bullshit, has been unmitigated bullshit for 50 years, and will continue to be unmitigated bullshit for the foreseeable future. If you wish, you may ignore that line. I really do appreciate your more reasoned query about the intent of my post, without reference to alcohol (I almost never drink as I'm far too diabetic to risk it on a regular basis) or meds (of which I am on a great deal of pain meds for conditions I wouldn't wish on anyone here. Not even people who can't put me on ignore quickly enough as far as I'm concerned).

:hi:

[OKIsItJustMe]

8. Whereas I think “Solar” is our best hope for the long term

Assuming, that is, that we have any hope.

There is nothing inherent about manufacturing solar panels which requires the sort of environmental damage we see in China (just as the paint used on toys is not required to include lead.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030802595.html

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Because of the environmental hazard, polysilicon companies in the developed world recycle the compound, putting it back into the production process. But the high investment costs and time, not to mention the enormous energy consumption required for heating the substance to more than 1800 degrees Fahrenheit for the recycling, have discouraged many factories in China from doing the same. Like Luoyang Zhonggui, other solar plants in China have not installed technology to prevent pollutants from getting into the environment or have not brought those systems fully online, industry sources say.

"The recycling technology is of course being thought about, but currently it's still not mature," said Shi Jun, a former photovoltaic technology researcher at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

Shi, chief executive of Pro-EnerTech, a start-up polysilicon research firm in Shanghai, said that there's such a severe shortage of polysilicon that the government is willing to overlook this issue for now.

"If this happened in the United States, you'd probably be arrested," he said.

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