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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 02:36 PM Original message |
A very critical analysis of biofuels |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Careful with that axe, Eugene |
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tnlurker (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bio fuels only make since when |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Perhaps not even then. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. One of those other nutrients is phosphorus. |
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Rabbit of Caerbannog (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. True if you only consider kernel corn, however |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. My comments above about soil depletion apply here too. |
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Rabbit of Caerbannog (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. True - but consider |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Its probably just as good to throw them out |
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Moby Grape (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. why would anybody produce a useful product? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. When producing that "useful product" damages the biosphere there may be good reason for caution. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. It takes lots of diesel for field work and transporting both inputs and |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. I haven't read through the whole article, so I shouldn't comment yet |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. The Dirty Truth about Bullshit - from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I've got no problem with the argument that non-food-based biofuels are better |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The Science paper IS discussed in the OP (which is not a peer reviewed study) |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Can you point me to the reference? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Reference 3 is the Farrell et al. Science paper - not the Tilman Science paper - my bad |
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TexasProgresive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. I was told yesterday that Cargil?? is offering $5.00 a bushel for |
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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. it's like trying to think of the internet built around the TRS-80 |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. I read the article. I've two questions/comments. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Here are my thoughts |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. New approach for biomass gasification to hydrogen, sorry its pdf |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Take a look at this company |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. My brother has a sawmill business and there is a lot of waste so I done a little research into |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The gasification of any carbon source is well understood and is superior |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. Your thinking is definitely lighter than air. Did you read the Farrell an Kammen study and examine |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-08-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Hmmm. A metastudy that modifies the assumptions of the research it analyzes... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
26. Pimentel has been thoroughly debunked |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 06:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. That article doesn't read like a "thorough debunking" to me |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 07:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. "a bunch of economists think ethanol is a great idea does set off my warning bells" |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. the 51 cent excise tax credit per gallon of ethanol blended goes to the Oil refinery doing the |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That's not a "debunking" |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. It helps if you read. Sound it out: |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Hey, ease up on the ad hominems there. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. Starvation is one of the most heinous tools of oppression. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
33. ONe of the characteristics of disinformation is to redefine an issue to better make your point. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. There's another way to reduce the danger of your dependence on imported oil |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Ethanol is not renewable if it depends on oil. |
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