Check out what Bush's goons are playing with

[OffWithTheirHeads]

And you're worried about MY guns?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[Kutjara]

1. Delightful little toy.

Just the sort of thing any self-respecting psychopath would be overjoyed to find under his tree on Christmas morning.

I can't even imagine the mind that dreamed up that hellish person-grinder.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

2. Is that some scary shit or what?

Coming soon to a gulag near you.

[Kutjara]

3. Yep, you can imagine every stormtrooper wannabe...

...lusting after an AA-12 of his very own. And of course, what's the point in one of those babies unless you can use it? Preferably on a big crowd of pesky peacenik protesters. All in the interest of "security" and "crowd control" of course.

[tularetom]

4. The fucked up part of the whole thing is

when they start sending them to Iraq it will be a matter of days before some asshole sells a bunch of them to some faction that hates our guts and viola, they'll be used against our troops.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

5. With Blackwater, I'm sure domestic use

is on the table.

[Cheap_Trick]

6. that asshole being bush

gotta keep the boogiemen armed and a threat. no threat, no "war on terror".

[Sanctified]

7. An automatic shotgun is like tits on a bull, notice they test the thing from like 20 yards.

And the amount of damage that was done to the plywood was nominal. Shotguns are only good for short range combat, and are not effective for close quarter combat.

[ManiacJoe]

8. 20 yards makes for good TV.

Why would a good short-range weapon like this shotgun not be good for close quarters combat?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

9. I guess that depends on what your definition

of good is. This gun will turn you into hamburger. Is that what you want Blackwater to be able to do to you?

[ManiacJoe]

12. That is the point of a close quarters weapon.

However, that is one UGLY gun....

I have no fear of security guards, Blackwater or otherwise. I am capable of defending myself from attackers, uniformed or not.

[Sanctified]

16. I think the size of the shotgun makes it a little impracticle to weild in small quarters

like hallways, plus because of the scatter shot you can't really use it if there are friendlies in the room. The other issue is because of it's size a soldier would be limited to just carrying this and not a regular rifle. If I were a soldier I would want a weapon I could use if I was caught out in the open and be able to hit targets from further than 20 yards away. Finally the size of the magazine was insane, how much ammo could a soldier carry with him.

[ManiacJoe]

17. Size could be a problem for inside houses.

Similarly to the M4 in current use. A better option, assuming a shoulder weapon, would be an mp5 in either 9mm or .40sw.

The spread of the shot is not really a problem. Out of a short barrel, you normally only get about 1 inch spread per yard using 00 buck. Slugs will usually solve that problem if needed. The height differences between the sights and barrel can cause problems up close.

Yah, that round mag seem to have lots of wasted space. I was thinking that a standard box mag would work just as well (if not better).

Ideally you need different weapons for inside and outside buildings. Unfortunately, that is not always practical; thus you end up with compromise weapons that do both jobs OK while doing neither job well (jack of all trades, master of none).

[jody]

10. Such tests will continue after Jan. 2009. Will it be Clinton/Obama goons doing the test? n/t

[sir pball]

11. Eh.

Nothing new under the sun, the basic design of this one dates back to 1972 and Heckler&Koch tried to offer a system in the 80s that went nowhere. Full-auto shotguns just aren't practical, between the recoil and already generally abysmal accuracy you're better off taking a split-second longer to place shots with a semi-auto.

[ManiacJoe]

13. Did you watch the video?

There seems to be little to no recoil from this thing. I certainly cannot accurately do what they were doing with me semi-auto Benelli.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

14. How do you like the Benneli?

I saw a video infomercial type thing on it and it looked awesome.

[ManiacJoe]

15. I like it.

It does not see much action though. The M1 Super 90 is easy to work, easy to shoot. Being light and recoil operated, it does have a kick. Also being recoil operated, everyone says it does not cycle correctly with the reduced-recoil/tactical rounds. I have thought about getting a longer barrel for trap/skeet, but I don't see the happening any time soon.

I ended up getting the pistol grip due to the standard stock not fitting my hands correctly.

[sir pball]

21. Yeah

While it is impressive, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the guy is a "weapons expert" who's probably played with that single shotgun more than most of us have used all of our guns combined. It's a hell of a toy no doubt, but I still don't think it's going anywhere.

[Tejas]

18. Waste of $

It's rate of fire is no faster than a person pulling the trigger manually on a semi.

1) Recoil?
Can you say mercury tubes?

2) Accuracy?
Blackwater's best would lose every match against Patrick Flanigan.

3) Speed?
Flanigan could probably reload 3 times before Blackwater emptied their drum.

So THERE!

:)

[Boomer 50]

19. All flash and gas gang......

In CQB, someone with an M10 subgun or even a simple handgun would tear the operator using that shotgun up. The problem with this firearm is that it's a shotgun designed for in close combat. Yet, it's too unwieldy to be effective. It looks cool and throws a lot of lead for a short distance but it's an useless toy in the real world.

The Pancor Jackhammer was a much more well thought out design being in a bullpup configuration.

[Ready4Change]

20. The size of the rounds and magazines is a problem.

It fires 120 rounds a minute, but the large circular mag only holds 20. Hold down the trigger for 10 seconds and you have to reload that large mag. That's a problem in a confined space.

The weapon itself is huge. That makes it hard to get around a corner and get the first shot off. That, too, is a problem in confined space.

Most weapons have an ideal tactical environment. This seems like it would be devestating in it's own environment. But it's not very flexible. The weapon is too large. Extra ammo is too bulky. It'll be good for special circumstances, but otherwise left in it's case.

And I've watched the show that clip is from. The host is, to me, really annoying. Every weapon is 'awesome' and 'devestating' and 'the perfect weapon.' Yada yada.

[SteveM]

22. What SCOTUS missed in Miller decision: trench gun on steroids.

[gorfle]

23. That's bad-ass

I want one.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

24. What the hell would you do with it?

Even if I had a use for it, the ammo would cost a fortune. Hell, I can't afford to feed the guns I have.

[gorfle]

25. Nuthin much.

What the hell would you do with it?

Oh, it would probably be just another to add to the collection. Arguably it would be a decent home defense weapon, but really I just think it's cool.