if you wonder why gun owners get so intense.

[virginia mountainman]

Read this LTE, that was printed in a Newspaper today...

The writer manages to call gun owners all kinds of nasty names, and the paper prints it for all too see. :wtf:

Here is a nice quote from the article..

Today, guns are generally preferred by paranoid sociopaths, cowards and vigilantes — as guns have become the implement of choice for the increasing numbers of street gangsters, criminals and domestic terrorists

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/puopinion/local_story_056063111.html

Nice, just nice... :puke:

[villager]

1. I find no group loves name-calling here as much as the gun folk themselves..

well, except maybe the Hillary and Obama supporters, lately...!

[SteveM]

14. You should read THE GREAT AMERICAN GUN DEBATE...

by Kates and Kleck in which they review the vicious bile and hatred spewed by gun-controllers toward the tens of millions of Americans who lawfully own firearms. It is one thing to see the stuff coming from the average jack & jill in in this forum; but quite another to see it coming from "respected" editors, journalists, academicians, governors, etc., trying to "color" the debate.

There have been many years of elite hatred, directed toward gun owners; so much so that you rarely see it in MSM anymore because they know they have been discredited on the subject and because further "hate-r-ation" is counter-productive. I'm rather surprise to see it upchuck again. But, when you gotta hate-on, you gots to do somethin' about it now and again.

[villager]

15. "vicious bile and hatred," "elite," etc. Ah, the code words come tumbling out...

But of course, it's not name calling when you do it, eh?

[sabre73]

24. The pot is calling the kettle black again!!!!! n/t

[SteveM]

25. Read the book, buddy. Wanna hear some samples?...

"The National Rifle Association, its propagandists and its supporters work day and night to make sure that every hood in the country can get his hands on a gun. They couldn't be more guilty if they stood there slipping pistols to the drug dealers and robbers. If justice were done, they would be in prison." "Pushers Best Friend, the NRA," by Sen. Edward Kennedy, March 22, 1989, NYT.

Or,

"The Terrorists who Pack an NRA Card," Garry Wills, Albany, N.Y. Times Union, April 22, 1996. Title is sufficient, don't you think?

Or,

"...psychotics...hunters who drink beer, don't vote and lie to their wives about where they were all weekend," Mario Cuomo, Gov. of NY. He later apologized to the NRA: "it is unintelligent and unfair to disparage any large group." Time, May 27, 1985. He should have apologized: it sounded like a bad, week night routine in the Catskills.

There's plenty more. My descriptions of these elites are quite accurate, Villager. Don't you agree?

[johnbraun]

19. +1. Gun control has always been about racism, control, etc. They reword it to make it acceptable.

Personally, I can't see how Dems can possibly be for gun control. Being able to protect yourself with an inexpensive tool is fundamentally a working-class and middle-class position.

[comradebillyboy]

20. absoloutly right

because the cops will only come after you have been victimized, they sure as shit won't protect you before the fact. I have the right to defend my home and my family, and I will exercise that right. But the fact is there are 300,000,000-400,000,000 guns in private hands. What kind of police state will we need to grab all those guns?

Gun control has always been a big vote loser for the Democratic party. A very large percentage of Dems are gun owners and many will not support a pro gun control candidate. Jeez, here in New Mexico its legal to openly carry a gun, and concealed carry without a Concealed Handgun License is a misdemeanor.

[johnbraun]

21. Indeed, and the DEMOCRATIC governor of NM has a concealed pistol permit!

nt

[sabre73]

23. That is so funny

coming from you!!!LOL!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

If 2A supporters as a group do more name calling than the antis they still don't love doing it more than YOU!!!

You cant go 2 posts without calling us such reticules names like "ammophile" or "gun toting morons".

You need to get off of you high horse villager! I have read these posts and we who like owning guns a FAR LESS likely to call names.

STOP pointing fingers! You will be called on it every time.

[DrDan]

2. so . . . when does the nasty part start . . .

[Warpy]

3. I find just as much poison spewed at gun grabbing liberals

so your complaint is falling just a little bit flat.

Gun lovers need to realize that nothing short of overturning the Second Amendment by amending the constitution and gaining the approval of 37 states (as likely as the Pope on a pogo stick) or the declaration of martial law by an Executive run amok (slightly more likely) will threaten their right to own their guns.

I sometimes wish we had the right to ban scare literature from the NRA, or at least require it list the above as the only way their doomsday scenario for gun owners could come true.

[bossy22]

6. the problem is that honesty is lacking

on both sides- they both believe the ends always justify the means. Thats why i take everything the brady camp. and the NRA with a grain of salt

[benEzra]

16. No, a ban on handguns, "assault weapons," "sniper rifles," and "riot guns" would get most of them

and leave us as disarmed as the UK. Contrary to gun-control-lobby BS, most gun owners are not hunters, so a ban on all but hunting-style guns is no different from an absolute ban, for most of us.

I don't necessarily see an "assault weapon" ban on the horizon (considering the immense backlash against the 1994 non-ban, and the fact that "assault weapons" are now among the most popular civilian target rifles and defensive carbines in America), but the MSM certainly hasn't stopped agitating for one.

BTW, I agree that greater civility and humility is needed on both sides of the debate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=158855&mesg_id=159201

[krispos42]

22. That's outlawing ALL of them

There are still plenty of ways to severely restrict them, and to discourage ownership. The anti-abortion people have been nibbling away at the right every way they can. Zoning regulations, waiting periods, mandatory counseling, showing graphic pictures of an aborted fetus, requiring notification of the father... what's that law that just changed in Missouri? The state upgraded the medical-facilities requirements for performing an abortion, essentially rendering nealy all abortion clinics obsolete.

So have the anti-free-speech people. Government's all over your phone and internet traffic. Free-speech "zones". Media consolidation. And what's that latest thought-crime bill that was the big deal a couple-three weeks ago?

The same things can be done regarding gun ownership. Registration, waiting periods, bans on handguns or so-called "assault weapons", ballistic "fingerprinting", permits to buy ammunition, safe-storage laws that require the police to inspect and approve of your storage method, a "sin tax" on ammunition, ammunition serial numbering and registration...


Nibble nibble nibble! But don't worry, we're not taking away your right!

[DS1]

4. heh

Go Gloucester!

[bossy22]

5. this guy is an idiot

he talks as if these shooters never got theri hands on a holster and magazine holder, those kids at VT and NIU would still be alive. He is just ranting and raving and the usual fear mongering (our streets are warzones (though i thought war zones had murder rates up around 200-400 people per 100,000- and the US only had about 5.5 per 100,000) Some war zone to me

[tularetom]

7. You need to toughen up

Yeah that letter's the work of an asshole but so WTF? You aren't a paranoid sociopath, coward, vigilante, street gangster, criminal or domestic terrorist are you?

[bossy22]

9. i agree

and its not that its this individual letter that gets us riled up. its the tone behind it. Its almost too common when it comes to people on the other side of the pond (pro-gun control). It gets annoying have to hear how horrible a person you are and how you are no better than a gang-banging-raping-criminal. Im not saying we are any saints either but it gets rediculous. Both sides need to be able to talk in a civil manner. Probably much will be accomplished and i believe it is in our benefit to do so (i believe much pro-control stance comes with a lack of knowledge on the subject- i say this because many people that are pro-control propose laws that are already on the books)

[idovoodoo]

8. If Mr. Mark Fuller knew nine more things,

he would be a fuckin' idiot.

[slackmaster]

10. What do you expect from a knee-jerk gun-grabbing monkey?

;-)

[jody]

11. LTTE says "Manufacturers and distributors must be legally accountable for the injuries which are

inflicted by the usage of their products."

OK as long as we include manufacturers of automobiles, motorcycles, pharmaceuticals, and anything else that causes death.

:sarcasm:

[bossy22]

13. SUV's

with their top heavy designs make them very prone to rolling over and can't manuevar away from danger as well as a car. This causes many accidents and countless deaths. WE should hold they manufactures responsible for everyone who dies in a car accident due to the failure of an SUV to avoid a dangerous situation

:) partially sarcastic

[Old Codger]

12. beyond redemption

Man is a blithering idiot

[benEzra]

17. That piece was hilarious. Made my afternoon.

I am assuming he meant that, and that it wasn't a false-flag piece designed to make supporters of new restrictions look like idiots...

:rofl:


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Thoughts on Gun Ownership

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What? (written in '04, largely vindicated in '06, IMO)

The Conservative Roots of U.S. Gun Control

[east texas lib]

18. Seems to be more of the same old shit...

It ain't easy bein' a paranoid, sociopathic, domestic terrorist/Antichrist (OH SHIT-LOOK OUT!!!BAM!,
BAM!, BAM!BAM!BAM!-WELL, IT'S DEAD WHATEVER IT WAS. GOOD THING TOO!), I tell ya. It just ain't easy.:evilgrin:
On edit: Yes, that is sarcasm!