Loopholes Allow High-Powered Guns Into California

[beevul]

Loopholes Allow High-Powered Guns Into California


Assault weapons are banned in California. But they're still showing up here because the cops say there is no federal ban.

"They call these choppers on the street, for one reason: because they chop people up," said Kevin Kaney of the Oakland Police. "These are designed to take as much casualties as possible."

Kaney said many illegal assault weapons also get in to California because loopholes in state law are being exploited. Same design, same firepower, just a few cosmetic changes.

For example, having a push-button detachable magazine on certain guns makes them an assault weapon. Some gun makers get around the law by replacing it with a push button that requires a tool. That change classifies it as a fixed magazine and therefore legal.


http://cbs5.com/local/California.gun.loopholes.2.680263.html

Same dishonesty as the original AWB but on a statewide rather than federal scale.


"Getting around the law" by complying with the letter of it.

Those damn speeders getting around the law by...not speeding... :eyes:


Did California learn nothing from the federal fiasco?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

1. So, does this mean I can finally buy an AR?

Just asking because I would really like one in my collection.

[krispos42]

4. As long as it's a "fixed magazine" model

I guess so. Of 10 rounds or less capacity, of course. Just in case somebody cuts you off on the 405 they don't want you to go TOO crazy during the shooting rampage you will inevitably go on.

Amazing, really. M1 Garand rifle is over twice as powerful shot-per-shot at an AR-15 and it can reload a hell of a lot faster than a fixed-mag AR. And the Garand has that evil bayonet lug. But guess which one they are freaking out about?

[benEzra]

7. It has to be built on an off-list lower receiver as well.

BTW, instead of the pinned magazine, you can set it up to take regular detachable magazines IF you remove the protruding handgrip and set it up with one of those abominable quasi-Monte-Carlo stocks.

http://www.californiarifles.com/

[Redneck Socialist]

15. Those should be banned...

...based on aesthetic principles alone. They're hideous.

[jody]

22. On the other hand, we could ban gun-grabbers based on aesthetic principles, they're ugly. n/t

[slackmaster]

19. Build a "featureless" rifle with a 10-round fixed magazine on an off-list lower

Then if the lower is ever added to the list, you can build it up with standard features and use whatever detachable magazines you happen to already own.

[radioburning]

25. Yes, and you should before...

...some opportunist politician sneaks some completely retarded and unnecessary AWB, based on intimidating aesthetics, and not much else. According to FBI statistics, more people get killed each year by "hands and feet" than AR-15s. How are these still banned?

[krispos42]

2. Surprise, surprise!

Nature abhorrs a vacuum? Assault weapons don't turn to dust as soon as they cross the border?

Shocking!

Notice not a single figure was given in the entire story. Not one. Just hyperbole and ancedotes.

Yeah, more main-stream media "reporting".

[L1A1Rocker]

10. Hyperbole is about all the gun banners have.

Facts do not bear out their assertions.

[krispos42]

16. I sent the station an email

I was polite, but not complementry.

[L1A1Rocker]

23. Every little bit helps. Good job!

[spoony]

3. That is horrible reporting

No one should ever be paid for a mess of a thought like, "many illegal assault weapons also get in to California because loopholes in state law are being exploited." Like you said beevul, how are they illegal if they are not...illegal?

I'm not sure who should be fired first, the reporter or the cop.

[L1A1Rocker]

11. It's just an anti-gun hack job.

[beevul]

5. For those unfamiliar...

This article barely scratches the surface of whats going on in CA.

Google Iggy Chin, Ignatius Chinn, Matt Corwin (the student referenced in the article) , OLL (Off List Lower) and dig a little, and it will become clearer how much more to it there is.


There are even emails between the brady bunch stooges and the CA Doj if you dig deep enough.

[L1A1Rocker]

12. Can anyone say collusion?

To say, deprive persons of their civil rights. Wonder if RICO could be applied. Oh what a dream that is. . . .

[benEzra]

6. Except they're not "high-powered" and work no differently than CA-legal guns...

Legal in California:



Banned in California:



That's the same gun, just two different stocks.

An AR-15 is functionally identical to both--a relatively low-powered, non-automatic centerfire .22 with a detachable magazine--except the AR is more accurate.

[Turbo Teg]

8. What do you guys expect from

California? Yes, I agree, how are they getting around the law by complying with it?

[Recursion]

9. Sorry, I thought this article was about high-powered weapons?

But it goes on to talk about "assault-weapons", which are some of the lowest-power guns in production.

[L1A1Rocker]

13. That is odd isn't it?

[L1A1Rocker]

14. This whole issue exemplifies just how

STUPID gun control is.

[slackmaster]

20. Like many other laws, gun control laws are stupid when implemented for political reasons

Rather than an honest attempt to achieve a meaningful objective.

Plus having laws about technical subjects written by people who are not schooled in the technology always results in crap.

[dmallind]

17. Now I'm not one to get pedantic on gun issues

It doesn't bother me when somebody says "clip" instead of magazine, or even if they don't quite know the difference beween semi-automatic and automatic, but it does bug me for some reason when they assume that beiang a "high-powered gun" is dependent on ANYTHING in the AWB, even when correctly understood.

The most powerful guns available are perfectly legal under the AWB. You can survive an AR-15 a damn sight more easily than you can survive a .338 ultra mag or whatever your big rifle of choice may be.

Not sure why that one bothers me and the others don't.

[slackmaster]

18. Maybe the fact that cosmetic changes can make a rifle comply with the law actually means

That the features cited in the law as defining an "assault weapon" are themselves cosmetic.

[SteveM]

21. And there's always a cat in your pictures.

[L1A1Rocker]

24. Bullseye!!!

Great pic!!

[Indy Lurker]

26. That explains a lot

"They call these choppers on the street, for one reason: because they chop people up," said Kevin Kaney of the Oakland Police. "These are designed to take as much casualties as possible."


That must be why the Chicago Police are buying 13,000 of them.